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UT Tyler student, another man arrested in East Texas church arson cases

POSTED: Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 12:11pm

UPDATED: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 2:10pm

A source close to the church arson cases tells KETK-TV arrests have been made.

Those arrested are UT Tyler student Jason Bourque, 19, of Van and Daniel George McAllister, 21, (DOB 2-27-88) of Van. Bourque's address on jail records lists he is from Lindale but went to school in Van.

Bourque's Facebook page shows he graduated from Van High School in 2008 and currently attends UT Tyler. He lists he religious views as "existential." Photos on the networking site show he qualified for state on the debate team.

A friend of Bourque's tells us they sat together in math class at UT Tyler and that he was once a very religious person but struggled with depression starting last November. We'll have an interview with his classmate coming up today at 5 p.m.

They have been booked in Smith County on $10 million dollar bond, set by Judge Jack Skeen.

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They must of watched too much of Beavis and Butthead! "FIRE, FIRE!" now they will need teepee for their bungholes.

I know intolerant people will be somewhat angered by my comment, and the small percentage of those angered, I hope, can at least consider my position on this issue before responding.

As a twenty-something generation y-er, I can say, that I sympathize with these young men (eh, children). Growing up in rural Texas is not easy. From birth we are taught the christian religion, about a god that is loving, one that rose from the dead to save us from ourselves (i guess because that same god created us to be intrinsically bad?). In other words, instead of being taught "why" certain actions are wrong (e.g. violation of duty or obligation to one another) we are taught that God, in one fashionable way or another, decides what is right and wrong. Moreover, we are taught to read the bible for answers to life's questions. As one progresses in age, life experience, education, etc...one realizes that, regardless of how hard you pray, your mother will die from the cancer in her breast. Regardless of how hard you pray, you hear never get a response. You take a course in human anatomy or biology and realize that no man could ever live inside a whale's stomach. The list goes on and on. The point is that NO bible, NO prayer, NO church, preacher, has answers for what life brings.

By the time these young men graduate high school they're confused. The source of this confusion, they realize, is between their theologial (christian) beliefs and reality (what they experience).

They go to college, take a mandatory philosophy of religion course, and realize the absurdity in religion. They find real solace in humanism and find agnosticism/athiesm rational. There is good in this world, there are right choices to be made; and this is not because an omnipotent, omniscient god made it so...it's because we do. The only bad in this world is irrationality.

My point is that burning churches will not resolve their inner-turmoil. Burning churches will not turn back the hands of time and prevent the molestation in the pews. Burning churches WILL NOT HELP the athiest cause.

Just because one pediatrician is a pedophile doesn't make all pediatricians pedophiles. I AM SICK OF THE MEDIA MAKING ATHIESTS LOOK LIKE BAD PEOPLE. These kids were not true athiests, but rather two really confused children.

My suggestion, quit taking the easy route. Quit blaming bad events on "lack of prayers" or "religious guidance". Clearly, at least one of these kids, had guidance and it didn't help. Look at yourselves and the communities for the bad things that happen. Blame the churches that burned on irrationality, blame the communities, blame the parents. DO NOT BLAME IT ON ATHIESTIC BELIEF!

These kids don't need prayers, they surely don't need to be incarcerated...what they need is counseling. They should not be robbed of life and from living this beautiful world.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Ben-Wheeler/Encouragement-for-the-Families-of-Daniel-McAllister-and-Jason-Bourque/322308287202

Assuming they are guilty, and I'll let the courts decide that, I have a question. If Muslims are attacked, it's a hate crime, if a Jew is attacked by a Christian it's a crime(it seems if a non-Christian attacks a Jew it isn't a hate crime), if a homosexual is attacked it's a hate crime. Since it was a Christian places of worship, will it qualify as a hate crime? Will the ACLU defend these persons on the grounds that investigating the arsons constitute violation of separation of church and state, or that it constitutes freedom of expression?

The difference is not in whether or not a crime was committed, or whether it was a hate crime; the difference is in what social pressures created the criminal. The difference is in the group the criminal came from; Christians are the majority, Muslims - minority; Jews - Minority; homosexuals - minority. It is the responsibility of the group in power to practice tolerance. It should be obvious at this point that if a group is dicriminated against on a regular basis, then violence will occur.

I debated Jason Bourque when I was in high school. He was always a little odd.

They need to be glad the some of the people of the community didn't find them first! I have no sorrow for these kids, they need the maximum punishment they can get. I know a lot of you will not agree with me but these kids need to be made examples of!!

Skype is so not ok to use.

These young men and their families need our prayers and forgiveness, Saul of Tarsus done worse than this and look what God was able to do through him. Not to say the things these two young men allegedly done where not horrific but, if these two will confess their sin, turn from their ways and ask for forgiveness, God will forgive them. We as the body of Christ Jesus should do the same. With that said I do believe they should face the consequences of their actions, but let’s not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.

An answer to my prayers!

An answer to my prayers!

You can say what you want about God or churches, whether you believe or not, but that's really not the point.

The bottom line is that these guys committed a felony, and they should be punished to the full extent of the law.

I do agree, though, they definitely need some prayers, and quite possibly a therapist.

i think jail is not enough punishment for them. i think the authorities should put them to work on rebuilt those churches they burned, with their own hands.

i think jail is not enough punishment for them. i think the authorities should put them to work on rebuilt those churches they burned, with their own hands.

Ron Jeremy. What an original name. So if they had never been exposed to prayers and religion they would have never done this. What a non educated comment to make. They had problems to big fir your little mind to comprehend. Their probally upset that they didn't get the latest and greatest apple laptop out on the market. I do hope that whtever was their problems gets fixed somehow along their new journey through the Texas prison system. No doubt that they will get fixed up real quickly and learn that there is no good chain gang.

Amen!

Seriously, KETK? You broadcast the news conference by skype? One of the biggest news stories in the area for the last few weeks and you couldn't get a camera crew with relay ability there? I realize it is Sunday afternoon. But, I still think you could have done better than this.

What can you expect from liberal tolerance?

My daughter is a student at UT Tyler and is very proud of her school. Her friends all have ambitions in life and many are Christian, but that fact is neither here nor there. For these two disturbed young men to tarnish the name of UT Tyler thoroughly upsets me. I know they needs our prayers but I sure wish they had attended another school. Concerned parent.

Even though these two men committed crimes that anger us(and its okay to be angry), they definately need our prayers. The crimes they committed were wrong, but we all will stand before the Lord and give an account for what we have done,let him who has committed no sin throw the first stone. I also cant help but wonder, where would our nation be if we all were praying? My prayers are with these for conviction and for the Lord to bring them back to him.

Yeah, a couple of nutbags who did crazy stuff because their years of praying to mystical beings confused their minds somehow need our prayers.

They need less prayers. Had they never been exposed to prayers they never would have done this.

"Ron Jeremy", exactly what role did "mystical beings" and religion play in the case of the guy who crashed his plane in Austin? How about the Alabama college professor?
I think you just want to blame everything you can on God, religion, et al. Maybe YOU need a reality check, dude. Sometimes people go nuts.
Fanaticism can be political. Should we get rid of all politics?

"love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" Matthew 5:44 I would say that they are very much in need of our prayers

They should be ashamed of themselves. Even if you don't believe in God, don't ruin it for those who do. Burning the church will only make believers stronger. Burning a house of God is a straight ticket to HE**.

These young men and their families need our prayers and forgiveness, Saul of Tarsus done worse than this and look what God was able to do through him. Not to say the things these two young men allegedly done where not horrific but, if these two will confess their sin, turn from their ways and ask for forgiveness, God will forgive them. We as the body of Christ Jesus should do the same, with that said I do believe they should face the consequences of their actions but let’s not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.

Bonnie - you show your extreme ignorance in what you say. First of all, this, like any other sin is forgivable by the grace of God. Second, they did not burn a "House of God", because "Believers/Christians", are themselves, "The House of God."
1 Corinthians 3:16 (New International Version)
16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 6:19 (New International Version)
19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
2 Corinthians 6:16 (New International Version)
16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."[a]
SO PERHAPS YOU SHOULD BE CONDEMNED FOR NOT SHOWING A FORGIVING SPIRIT TOWARD THESE MISGUIDED INDIVIDUALS.

"love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" Matthew 5:44

They were old enough to know what they were doing and to practice restraint. They didn't just err once - they repeated the crime. Everyone who commits a crime such as this qualifies as 'disturbed'. I'm sorry, my sympathy cup is empty.

Dusty's Dad - remember that Jesus said, "those who don't forgive others will not be forgiven themselves."
Matthew 6:15 (New International Version)
15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
So you are actually a sinner yourself!

"love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" Matthew 5:44

Yes these young men sure need our prayers. I know one of these young men pretty well and I can tell you this is not the young man I know. I am gratefully saddened by this for him. He is a outstanding young man, and all I can do right now is wonder what was in his mind, where he drifted from his religion, and pray for him.
Please keep both young men, and their families in your prayers, and as always everyone involved.

Well, he ISN'T an "outstanding young man" at this point in time, should he actually be guilty. Please! Certainly anyone in trouble needs our prayers and tolerance, but let's not make a saint out of sow's ear. Not just yet.

These young men need our prayers!

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