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Do You Think Public Schools Garner Too Much Blame for Bad Behavior and Poor Academics?
September 25, 2009 - 7:32am
Tyler—
Do you think the public school system gets too much blame for student misconduct and poor academic performance?






I can not speak directly to the situation with this one student, but we definitely have problems in American schools.
The issues that we are facing as Americans are truly complicated. We have created a society that gives lip service to the value of education, but do we really mean it? People from other countries still see education as a privledge and a gift. Too many of our young people see it as a pain and something that people make them do. How do we get American children to value their education?
Laws that govern how educators teach behaviorally challenged students do not protect students or educators. This is evident in what happened to this wonderful teacher, Mr. Henry. Why do the students who want to be in school and who want to learn have to suffer daily for the students who act out? This would not be tolerated in other countries. I am all for teaching, but there comes a time when we need to stop sacrificing time, energy, money, resources, and lives so that the same students who don't want to be in school get chance after chance. Why does this happen? Because the laws protect these students. How many teachers and students have to be hurt or killed at school before something changes? Again, I am all for teaching, but students with criminal records should not be at school.
There has to be options.
Parents are a concern, too. Parents must take responsibility for raising their children with morals and values. We need to become a God fearing, God serving nation. One day every "knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord". I hope that people do not wait until it is too late. Parents have to take responsibility and model for their children. Parents are the first teacher. Parents have to value education.
Americans need to take a long look in the mirror and start working hard instead of waiting with their hand out. This is a great country, but what is happening to us? We are a bunch of spoiled brats, and people from other countries are laughing at us. Of course, they are smart enough to come to America and take advantage of our universities. Do they respect us? I doubt it. We don't even respect ourselves.
Anonymous
6 months agoI went to JT 80-83 it was rough then.the teachers made us read books about gangs and books that went against good morels values.they tought man came from ape, an animal. Man came from dirt. God breathed life in us. we are made in his image. ref Genisis in the Bible. I was in special ed,the kids were alful. My teaghers loved me because i was good, kids hated me they called me a teachers pet.I WANT TO THANK GOD, MY PARENTS,CHURCH AND MY TEACHERS PRINCIPAL, jt STAFF AND FRIENDS FOR HELPING ME!!! I know if i act like my fellow class mates ,I WOULD BE IN BIG TROUBLE!!!!!
Rick
6 months agoI have taught kindergarten. I cannot imagine how one can blame the public school when a five-year-old is calling his teacher a f**king b***h and hitting his classmates. I have also taught high school. Those five-year-olds grow up to be 15-year-olds who do the same things. Every once in a while, one of them brings a knife to school and does something like this. Then you get a bunch of people playing the blame game while nothing gets any better. The whole thing stinks.
As for the guy claiming that all teachers do is indocrinate kids to be progressives- I've seen nothing of the sort. The kids I've encountered in schools are virulently sexist and homophobic (which I expected) as well as racist (which I didn't expect). If anything, it is only the very traditionally-minded teachers I know who feel free to talk about anything related to politics, religion, or culture. I'm sure they'd tell you otherwise, but they do talk. I, meanwhile, am militantly silent.
Enigma_X
6 months agoIt is 100% the parents fault. It is not the school system with their hands tied, but the deadbeat parents that want to blame someone else for their shortcomings in child rearing that is the problem today.If these deadbeat parents would teach these children correctly at home how to be a civilized human being then the teachers could do their job and educate these children so they can enter the job market with a good school education. That would require effort on the parents part so who I am fooling.
Bullard
6 months agoParents are much to blame for breeding their children like little animals. No restraints or guidelines. But the schools are also much to blame for their permissivness and failure to act when situations call for it. I have been on HS campuses where the atmosphere is like a holiday camp, and students are acting like morons with little or no repercussions. Dress codes are a great way of reducing gang and individual violence. Sounds simple, but it works. Also, many teachers are afraid of certain students, and allow them to leave class and then mark them present. I also think that the media creates little 'heroes' when they highlight incidents like fights between students. We had fights at school - and a good whooping to follow in the principals office. Don't glamorize these lil thugs.
David
7 months agoIn the case of the stabbing death of Mr. Henry, absolutely NOT. The Tyler ISD knew about the gang violence at John Tyler HS.
If a student has a criminal record, that student has no business being at a regular high school.
I was taught that we make the BEST of that which we are presented. The TISD knew about the record of the student now (again) in custody; however, they did not take the initiative to provide adequate security on the campus. As long as the students with a history of violence are allowed to attend the TISD schools, it must be the responsibility of the TISD administration to rigorously maintain a safe environment for all students and faculty.
The student must also be held accountable for the murder of Mr. Henry. He had no business having a knife at the school. Unless it is the practice of John Tyler to provide knives in the classroom, it seems to me that the stabbing death was premeditated by the student.
Mr. Henry will be sorely missed. He was truly a devoted and caring teacher who gave so much to his community. He loved trying to help the kids who had learning and emotional challenges. He gave his life, daily to these kids, hoping to enlighten and direct them toward positive choices. In a profession which pays so meagerly, Mr. Henry's life and death beg several questions for American society, one of which being, "how much (how little!) do we really value our teachers' lives?" It is already a pathetic realization that their salaries are so low in comparison to the tremendous tools, guidance and inspiration they daily offer our students. Another is, "Did the TISD administration think people like Mr. Henry could easily be replaced?"
Honestly, the TISD should absolutely NOT be allowed to "pass the buck" here. Granted that the student (and possibly his parents, depending upon a number of factors) should have to bear responsibility for this horrific crime; it remains that the TISD has full knowledge of its students' criminal backgrounds. They were grossly neglegent in putting this wonderful teacher and others at perilous risk.
You know, I go around this town, day in and day out, hearing people preaching about their "Christian" values. Where is the actual PRACTICE of these values? How can any of these administrators call their carelessness "Christ-like"? I am so tired of the hypocracy. Where was the care towards the safety of Mr. Henry?
I agree with the other bloggers, that, until psychological evaluations are completed, we stop focussing on the 16-year old boy. The life of Mr. Henry must be our concern now. Many people are mourning their and Tyler's great loss. I want to see tributes to Mr. Henry, in the news, in ceremonies, and in the improved behavior of all of us who must keep Mr. Henry's life sacred in our thoughts and deeds.
Joni
7 months agoHmmm.... And who else might be accountable for this?
Richard M York
7 months agoIn point of fact the public school system is reaping the effects from the crop they have been planting and cultivating since the early sixties. In other words they do not get enough blame.
If the American public school system were a manufacturing company they would have been bankrupt years ago for producing an inferior product. Very few 17 or 18 year olds who have graduated from this system can fill out a job application, they do not have basic math skills. If Teachers were paid based on the quality of a finished product the majority would have been fired long ago for being incompetent.
All school aged children in this country have been indoctrinated into being progressives instead of receiving an education. This country spends more money on education per student than any other nation but we always score near the bottom of the list when compared to the other industrialized nations of the world.
Anyone could go on and on regarding this topic. Until teachers, principles, superintendants and the school boards are held accountable it will continue. They have been doing social engineering for to long.
Here is a question ask as many school aged children say from the sixth grade on up what is written in our constitution, or the bill of rights they won't have a clue.
Having said that, the parents of these same under educated students share as much of the blame for not paying attention to the fact that their children have not received an education.
tbd001
7 months agoYES!
The fact that they are public means they have to take anyone deemed eligible by the state and federal laws; even those students who are not capable of comporting themselves in a normal manner.
The tragedy at John Tyler High School was a sacrifice on the altar of political correctness: mentally unstable juveniles with a criminal history involving violence do NOT belong in a public school classroom!
Yet it is the pervasive "wisdom" of our current education theorists that ALL students should be "mainstreamed" to the GREAT DETRIMENT of our normal students who are willing to behave and put forth the effort to learn!
As a nation, we are turning our back on excellence as a goal when we insist that special-ed(mentally retarded)children belong in a normal classroom and require teachers to include instruction for them while trying to "challenge and engage" those capable of much greater learning with a dumbed-down curriculum that doesn't leave the special-ed student behind.
How much cognitive dissonance is required before insanity is achieved?
rollinson
7 months agoTHEY ARE ALL READY TRYING TO SET UP A MENTAL DEFENCE!!! HE WAS NOT MENTAL ENOUGH TO TAKE THE KNIFE TO SCHOOL( A PLACE HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!)
RICK DAVIS
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