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POSTED: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - 6:20pm

UPDATED: Monday, December 3, 2012 - 8:57pm

TYLER - Governor Rick Perry and Bill White are at odds yet again, this time over creationism and evolution being taught in our schools. Governor Perry says evolution and creationism should be presented side by side but, Bill White says not so fast.

Fewer than half of American adults say evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on earth, that's according to a recent study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, while many other Americans believe in intelligent design.

With a range of differing views on the subject, what should be taught in schools? While there may be no solid answer right now between Americans Texas gubernatorial candidates are weighing in. When asked about evolution and creationism taught in schools, Rick Perry says they should be taught side by side. Bill White had a different take saying that it should be left up to educators not politicians.
 

Currently, schools must learn about the theory of evolution, but groups like the Texas Freedom Network argue that evolution is not taught with the same authority as other subjects.

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The classrooms of our children are NOT an experimental crucible for developing new scientific truth!

There is an established process, a series of steps that must be followed within the scientific community before a competing theory is accepted as such.

Creationist's want to just "skip all the steps in the middle" and jump right to high school classrooms.

It is inappropriate and a disservice to both our children and the scientific process.

Keep non-science out of the classrooms.

"Fewer than half of American adults say evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on earth"

Which means that more than half of American adults are ignorant about this aspect of science. Their religious indoctrination supersedes good science? Tragic.

"what should be taught in schools?"

Fortunately, the courts have ruled that only science should be taught in schools.

"While there may be no solid answer right now"

That is an incorrect and ignorant opinion.

if evolution is true,why aren't mokeys turning into humans etc etc??? stupid evolutionists have no intelligent answers. also, they put down people who have faith,all the while their head too deep in their backside to realize that they are practicing faith in a sense...it takes alot of faith to believe that fish became humans or monkeys became humans,and that the earth is billions of years old.i guess if i took a pile of old car parts,put them in a garage,shut the door,they would become a car lol

I wish you were joking but you seem to be sincere. I doubt I have to explain why car parts won't turn into a car on their own. But there is a very easy explanation as to why monkeys aren't turning into humans, humans didn't evolve from monkeys we just share a common ancestor with them. And even so, evolution occurs over millions of years with very gradual change, you wouldn't notice it happening. It is like trying to look in the mirror for a few seconds and say how fast your hair is growing.

The intelligent answer is that when you look at the genetic and the fossil evidence, it is clear that modern monkeys and modern humans share a common ancestor (as even ID advocate Michael Behe admits). The monkeys of today have evolved to fit the environments they are in.

It doesn't take faith to accept something based on literally tons of evidence. As for the age of the earth, if the principles on which radioactive dating is based were faulty then nuclear power plants would not work either.

As founder and chief scientist of the Intelligent Gestation Institute (https://sites.google.com/site/intelligentgestationinstitute/), I invite Governor Perry to also explore Intelligent Gestation as an alternative to the currently popular Theory of Pregnancy. It's unfortunately that our children are only taught the secular view that humans develop in gradual stages from an initial sperm and egg. First looking like a salmon, and then a lizard, and only finally resembling a human.

As founder and chief scientist of the Intelligent Gestation Institute (https://sites.google.com/site/intelligentgestationinstitute/), I invite Governor Perry to also explore Intelligent Gestation as an alternative to the currently popular Theory of Pregnancy. It's unfortunately that our children are only taught the secular view that humans develop in gradual stages from an initial sperm and egg. First looking like a salmon, and then a lizard, and only finally resembling a human.

Intelligent design is the silly idea that replacing the word "God" in Genesis with "Designer" will pass muster as a science textbook. Court case after court case has proven that intelligent design is a stalking horse for creationism. Rick Perry is making a craven play for the votes of those who cannot reconcile scientific truth with their religious belief. By doing so, he is putting himself above the long-term economic health of our state by polluting the education of our youth with nonsense.

ID is nothing more than scientific creationism renamed. In the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial, a missing link ("cdesign proponentsists") was even found in a draft version of the original ID textbook "Of Pandas and People."

Many of those advocating ID don't realize that their star Michael Behe (Darwin's Black Box) has consistently admitted that humans share common ancestry with cats and dogs, and that his "irreducible complexity" argument has been debunked (at least for the examples he uses).

Why should we be wasting class time in SCIENCE class on things that ARE NOT SCIENCE. When the creationists and the intelligent design folks get some actual EVIDENCE then I'll humor them. The problem I've noticed--Their problem isn't evolution--No, it's with geology and accepting the age of the Earth. There are fifty-two different elements used for radioactive dating. The same physics that make the atomic bomb work, tell us the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Evolution is true. Get over it.

Not so fast with your verdict of evolution must be true. Science and scientists do their best to understand and uncover Jesus' truth, but, all the answers have not been uncovered. Jesus unveils more of His truth for each passing generation for those that seek His truth. With that known, read this great Christian site that has done the work for you deciphering Jesus' scriptures.

http://biblestudysite.com/indepth.htm

I wrote a song about this controversy in 1991 that is (sadly) still relevant. If interested, look for "evolution song" +"bicycling guitarist" in any search engine for lyrics, comments and optional free mp3 downloads.

Any theory or model that people would like to call science needs to be able to make testable predictions. If a "theory" can not make predictions that can be tested, it is not science.

You can have all the "ideas" you want about how things work, but they shouldn't be part of a science class if they are not a scientific theory.

"Fewer than half of American adults say evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on earth, ... while many other Americans believe in intelligent design." How many Americans believe that if you travel fast enough you grow heavier? (hint: relativity) Just 500 years ago, nearly everyone in Europe believed in witchcraft. Since when has truth been decided by popular opinion? Here's an idea, why not simply teach science in science class and leave creationism in church?

It is incredible we are having this debate in the 21st century. It is as ridiculous as if half the adults in this country insisted the earth is flat in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

Most Christian denominations accept the fact evolution happens just as they now accept that the earth goes around the sun instead of vice versa. There is at least as much evidence we share common ancestry with other living things as there is for the heliocentric model of the solar system.

Couple of questions about this I found asked by Frank J. that need to be answered:

To teach these side by side, do you think students should learn the *fatal* weaknesses of ID
and creationism, and how their advocates misrepresent evolution and refuse to support their own "theories" on anything but those long-
refuted misrepresentations?

As a Republican, don't you think that students ought to learn all that on their parents' dime instead of the taxpayers'?

One has to wonder, as no part of the study of biology is "untouched" by evolution (a scientific fact, ...the Theory of Natural Selection is the best explanation of this fact), how can anybody justify ...in the context of SCIENCE, ...the non-science of Creationism/ID.

What byproducts of scientific exploration has C/ID given us so far, ...can anybody name a single one?

How can Mr. Perry stand there with a straight face and profess such willful ignorance? Edwards v. Aguillard established that any curriculum that professes it's foundation to be based in religion is unconstitutional in the U.S. Science should be taught in science class and religion should be taught in Sunday school. Mr. White's weasel words aren't much better, but at least he understands that the educators are the experts who should be setting curricula.

Perry should be impeached. His statement violate the first amendment of the US constitution.

Perry should be impeached. His statement is a violation of separation of church and state.

I don't think it is appropriate to assume, as the reporter seems to, that public opinion should determine what is scientifically valid. That does little more than to accentuate a cycle of ignorance.

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