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Myths about the UN gun treaty conference
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POSTED: Thursday, July 5, 2012 - 7:03pm
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 - 2:05pm
There’s been a lot of talk about a conference going on this month at the United Nations.
It concerns the international arms trade, and some Americans are worried.
BUT According to the UN charter, and the US Constitution, they can’t interfere in the internal workings of a member nation.
But, are they talking about new regulation of the international trade in small arms?
Yes they are.
And, frankly, for good reason.
The flow of arms, particularly small arms and the ammunition for them, is big business, both above and under the table.
Just the reported trade in small arms internationally amounts to 4.3-billion dollars, and neither China or Russia report their deals, so that figure is low.
And where do they go? Drug cartels, rebels, terrorists and brutal regimes, along with legitimate governments and buyers overseas.
So the UN is meeting to discuss a treaty to provide more transparency and accountability regarding who ends up with these weapons.
That worries gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association.
They want “civilian” arms excluded.
But the definition of civilian gets complicated.
Here is the UN definition of small arms. With the exception of revolvers, it only concerns semi-automatic or automatic firearms.
These are the guns of choice for bad guys around the world…the M-16 and AK47. The AK is by far the most sought after.
But it is also sold legally here in the US.
Even UN members don’t want to interfere with that.
Any treaty would have to pass constitutional muster and a senate ratification vote. And the treaty under discussion here has no effect on any gun within the US.
It’s only when they make the trip overseas, that the UN wants to know who ends up with a finger on the trigger.
As mentioned, there is no treaty yet, and frankly, it is hard to imagine how any future agreement could infringe on the Second Amendment.
The Constitution itself has supremacy over any international treaty.
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Beware of Foreign Influence.
An informed overview of the proposal can be found here--pretty spooky stuff.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/07/the-un-arms-trade-treat...
themick1 July 9, 2012
at 6:46pm
Writer doesn't know what story you're commenting on. As the "writer" let's explain this again. The UN Treaty cannot affect US law. The Constitution trumps any treaty. Period...Reid v Covert, 1956. It's international trade, not US purchases. Relax and go buy a Beretta.
History repeats itself. They did not enforce illegal immigration from the get go. They did not export illegals, or fine employers who hired them. It proliferated, then they say, regardless, we know we sat on our asses, all we need to now do is change the law. When incompetents fail, they just change the law. So let's make it legal to be an illegal, and we'll give illegals more rights than our own citizens.
Now all they want to do is change the gun laws, because they can't enforce them properly.
I am wondering when the harassment placed upon law abiding gun owners will ever end, or how long ignorance can be allowed to occur. It is a constant drain of good tax payer dollars by the inept politicians who do not believe, nor know the American Way of Life and our U.S. History. The United States is comprised of fifty states, and it doesn't only include New York City and L.A. along with a few other large cities where they cannot control their own crime, so they try and change the law instead.
It's not enough for service men and women to train, go fight and protect strangers overseas. When they come home and wish to do the same for their own families stateside, they'll be told they can't own the Beretta M9, Beretta 92F, or even the M16 because they are semi-automatic firearms.
Only if Obama wasn't a puppet, nor so easily lead around by the leash, he could probably get clear of Hillary, and try to make even a feeble attempt at running this country.
Writer is basically saying U.S. Citizens would need to register every firearm they own in accordance to the United Nations, and they would not be allowed to own any semi-automatic firearms. It was not enough when anti-gun groups fought to reduce the magazine capacity for semi-automatic firearms to ten rounds for pistols and rifles. Now you see how they wish to further their infantile agenda and erode more of our rights, by trying to take the entire firearm away all together. Never happen!
Writer is basically saying U.S. Citizens would need to register every firearm they own in accordance to the United Nations, and they would not be allowed to own any semi-automatic firearms. It was not enough when anti-gun groups fought to reduce the magazine capacity for semi-automatic firearms to ten rounds for pistols and rifles. Now you see how they wish to further their infantile agenda and erode more of our rights, by trying to take the entire firearm away all together. Never happen!
Writer says, "With the exception of revolvers it only includes semi-automatic or automatic weapons."
That would include the millions of firearms which are already owned by millions of Law abiding U.S. Gun Owners, not to mention the millions of firearms manufactured and traded within a multi-billion dollar industry which employs millions of law abiding people. Just because the writer may not know this, and he probably doesn't, nor has ever owned a firearm, we'll all try and excuse his ignorance.
So the the writer says the United Nations wants to know what Law Abiding U.S. Gun Owner's finger will end up on the trigger, when he purchases any Beretta Firearm, or any other firearm that is imported into our country, the United States. Just because President Obama and Hillary do not abide by our Constitution and they dislike firearms, doesn't mean they need to try and trample on our rights. Hillary goes to the bar, and sucks her beer out of a bottle, but I don't force her to use a glass.
Writer said, "It is only when guns go overseas." They can go overseas in two directions - export - import. That means guns which are exported from Europe, and imported into the United States, will not be subject to our present United States Laws, but rather, the Laws of the United Nations. Law Abiding U.S. Gun Owners have been purchasing guns for literally centuries, this will subject the same Law Abiding Gun Owners to whatever the United Nation presently requires, or any of its future whims.
you want to know what this new document will do to america? its going to HEAVILY RESTRICT EVERY TYPE OF GUN IN AMERICA. Your rights will be trampled on in the UN because CONGRESS would not allow it. Yes, Obama said he wouldnt try to target gun rights...IN CONGRESS...SO, he went to the UN to BYPASS our legislature. Why do you think this fella in our senate is being held in contempt? because he spoke out about it.america is slowly turning into the TYRANNY States of America, and yall dont even know
"Here is the UN definition of small arms. With the exception of revolvers, it only concerns semi-automatic or automatic firearms."
So practically every modern gun. That's not going to calm anyone down. Regular people have semi-automatics. There may be nothing to worry about, but that's just lumping normal people together with criminals and that is insane. Katie007 is right.
Katie007 July 5, 2012
at 11:18pm
The UN is the most corrupt organization in the world. They don't deserve anyone's trust.
"It is not hard to imagine how any future agreement could infringe on the Second Ammendment."
These people are shrewd. They can twist, manipulate words anyway they want with their "new speak."
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