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KTBB's Question of the Day: Is There Enough Proof President Obama is a U.S. citizen?

POSTED: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:12am

UPDATED: Monday, December 2, 2013 - 10:59am

UNDATED—The editor of the popular Web site, World Net Daily, Joseph Farah, is offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who can prove they were present at the birth of President Barack Obama.

KTBB news anchor Garth Maier, asks East Texans if they think there is a lack of proof that the President was born in Hawaii.

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Obama was born to be a Muslim faithful and true... on the 22nd of February 1962. Can you say MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE? Papers, please.

You basically just excluded everyone but Christians from becoming president regardless of their nationality. We aren't a theocracy that requires a particular religious preference to become the leader of the country. If you want that, move to a religious state and not the United States. That's the same argument many conservatives use: if you don't like it, leave!

I am honestly shocked that this is the "question of the day." Really? Also, exactly how qualified is any listener to decide if I personally have enough facts to decide this?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

I don't like conspiracy theories from the left or the right, because they choose to ignore basic sensibility and evidence that exists. You've been the victim of a whisper campaign that was supposed to work and didn't. If this is what Republicans are focusing on, I can see why you lost the majority of everything but the SC.

Please, please move on and accept that BO was born in Hawaii and had an international upbringing.

You haven't looked deeply enough if you only looked at Snopes.com.
A person board on foreign soil can get just the same COLB and many have done so.

How about the words of Senator John A. Bingham who actually wrote the 14th Amendment you are relying on making Barack Obama a "citizen" by being born in Hawaii.

Senator Bingham said while speaking about the rights of citizens in the U.S. House of Representatives on March 6, 1866 the following :

" I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…. . . ”
- John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

Since Barack Obama's father "owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty"... (Kenya and the Brittish Commonwealth).... Barack Obama cannot BE a natural born citizen EVEN if born in Hawaii .

Therefore, he Fails the Constitutional qualification. What's more HE KNOWS he fails. That's why he is fighting so hard NOT to reveal his real birth certificate and school records and passport records.

Wake up and smell the smoke...... The Constitution is burning!

Please also note Senator Bingham's use of the word "parents" (plural) as in both parents must be citizens. Not one, but TWO, as in BOTH!

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens", as defined in Vattel's masterpiece of political philosophy 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212, and instrumental to the Founding Fathers, who deemed it unnecessary to define in the Constitution, as it was already understood.

Obama's father is Kenyan, therefore Obama is an illegal usurper.

"I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept, has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting."
—Benjamin Franklin, letter to Charles W.F. Dumas, December 1775

"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."
—John Jay, Founding Father and first Supremne court Chief Justice, letter to George Washington, an attendee of the Constitutional Convention, July 25, 1787

"The myth that the founding of American Republic was based on the philosophy of John Locke could only have been maintained, because the history of Leibniz's influence was suppressed. The American Revolution was, in fact, a battle against the philosophy of Locke and the English utilitarians. Key to this struggle, was the work of the Eighteenth-century jurist, Emmerich de Vattel, whose widely read text, The Law of Nations, guided the framing of the United States as the world's first constitutional republic. Vattel had challenged the most basic axioms of the Venetian party, which had taken over England before the time of the American Revolution, and it was from Vattel's The Law of Nations, more than anywhere else, that America's founders learned the Leibnizian natural law, which became the basis for the American System."
---Robert Trout, from his book: Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness
How the Natural Law Concept of Gottfreid Wilhelm Leibniz Inspired America's Founding Fathers.

It's telling that your main reference, the Robert Trout 'book', is actually an article in a magazine published by the Schiller Institute, a voice of the LaRouche movement, occasionally described as a "vast and bizarre vanity press" and a support for many other conspiracy theories.

IOW, not exactly a reputable source.

Ya got nuttin'.

Oh, and as for Senator Bingham's statement about "parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty", that would be a reference to the exception for foreign diplomatic ad military personnel, whose children do not get citizenship based on where they're born, but strictly on who their parents are.

You know, like McCain.

Utter nonsense. Who was born on foreign soil and got a COLB from Hawaii stating that they were born in Hawaii? Examples, facts, not made up nonsense.

How about the majority decision in US v. Wong Kim Ark, which contains an extensive discussion of the meaning of the term "natural-born"?

How about Chester A. Arthur, whose father, at the time of his birth, was a British subject, not being naturalized until 14 years later? That was a matter of public record, yet the attempts to portray Arthur as ineligible focused on false claims that he was born in Canada or Ireland, not on his father's citizenship. That sets an actual precedent.

If the Constitution is burning, it's from all the hot air coming from the birthers.

And how about Andrew Jackson, both of his parents were born in Ireland. Thomas Jefferson's mother was born in England. Buchanan's father was born in Ireland. Woodrow Wilson's mother was born in England and Herbert Hoover's mother was born in Canada. With Arthur that makes Obama the 7th president to be born of only one US citizen.
We could go into the many VP's who had only one US citizen parent and, of course, according to the constitution, VP's have to be eligible to be president.

Suze,
It's not quite that simple. The Constitutional requirement is "a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution". Several of those you mentioned fall under the second condition.

And the argument they're making is that both parents have to be citizens for the child to qualify as "natural born". With the exception of Arthur, the other parents were probably naturalized citizens at the time of the child's birth.

Of course, there's nothing in law or precedent to support the "both citizens" theory.

Twitchy, True, but, some of the later ones do not. Do you think these "Birthers" would have a problem with Bill Richardson whose father was from Mexico or with Bobby Jindahl, both of whose parents are from India? I believe both were born before their parents became citizens. I have the awful feeling that the real problem here is not that Obama's father wasn't American; it's because he came from the "Dark" continent if you know what I mean. It's the only thing that explains the willful misinterpreting of the constitution, the ridiculous refusal to accept Obama's birth certificate or the reality of the birth announcements placed in 1961. I truly hope I'm wrong about that but the more I read and hear, the more I believe that's the real crux of the matter.

Twit is working hard to carry her STEALTH PRESIDENT to the finish line. Darkness will be revealed. Obama wants to govern in a shroud of DARKNESS. What do you suppose he is hiding Twit. Whatever it is the PRESS is helping him to be a STEALTH PRESIDENT.

Why should he hide anything? You twits have been at this for over a year, and you've found absolutely nothing. No facts, no evidence, nothing. And you keep making stuff up in a futile effort to make something, anything, stick.

A bunch of conspiracy theorists, and a bigger bunch of gullible fools, on a witch hunt because they lost the election. There's your "DARKNESS".

I AGREE.WHEN THESE OBAMA BACKERS ARE STUCK IN POVERTY WITH THE GOVERNMENT TELLING THEM WHEN TO WIPE THEIR OWN BUTT AND HOW TO DO IT,THEY WILL HAVE A SAD EYE OPENER...WELL..THAT IS..IF THEY ARE NOT ALREADY SUCKING UP OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT US WORKING CLASS PEOPLE MAKE,AND GETTING HANDOUTS WHILE THEY SIT ON THEIR LAZY BUTTS AND HAVE BABIES THEY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF,AND LET THE WORKING FOLKS PAY THEIR WAY THROUGH LIFE!!!WE WERE ALL GIVEN BRAINS,UNFORTUNATELY NOT EVERYONE USES THEIRS,AND THE ONES THAT DON'T WENT TO THE POLLS AND PROVED IT IN THE ELECTION!!!

If he isn't hiding anything, why has Hawaii sealed his record?
Allegedly, he received financial aid at Occidental College as a "foreign student" and they have sealed his record!
Secret Service, FBI, are not going to vet the candidate from either party...DNC should have vetted him better.
This is not about hatred, it's about what our Constitutional law states! If we ignore the Constitution for one thing, it is worthless!

Hawaii hasn't sealed his record. State privacy laws restrict who can ask for it.

And the bit about Occidental College was an April Fools joke.

You birthers are so misinformed and gullible.

There is no proof one way or the other. The proof is what is in the vault in HI. Obama holds the key to settling this once and for all If he wants unity, then why not spend $20 to get the birth certificate instead of paying lawyers to keep it quiet. All he has to do is hold another one of his many press conferences and turn it over to the appropriate people. Then this would be settled once and for all.

Pay attention!

Hawaii no longer issues anything other than what Obama has already shown everybody. If he requests his birth certificate again, he'll get the same thing he's already shown everybody. There isn't anything else.

Alot of folk already thought the proof was already shown

http://www.ShawnDrewry.com

Obama was born in Kenya but is a citizen of Indonesia and/or Britain. The FBI/CIA do NOT give security clearances to elected officials, don't you guys know this? Of course blacks are not going to criticize him, he's not Clarence Thomas ya know!

They are ELECTED or SELECTED in this case, by a political machine, and are not required to apply for a security clearance like the rest of us government workers do, ok? This is a coup by this Chicago thug, they used ACORN to ensure he got a Senate seat and now the Presidency. Impeachment time, if not deportation time!

Witch hunt. Ignorant gullible fools. Lynch mob.

Try again, with real facts this time.

I think u're right in asking about Obama's birth and I'm upset that the majority of black American's I speak with are so RACIALLY BLIND that they will NOT, don't want to Question anything About Obama despite fact that MOST OF his Policies to date ie Abortion, taking Choice away from Drs. and other health professionals, grabbing power, destroying chrysler etc AFFECT THEM DIRECTLY. Unfortunatley, blacks think they are getting "FREE" money w/o realizing their children (those NOt on welfare yet) will have to pay the bill. Either America RESPECTS and UPHOLDS IT's constitution or it doesn't. Why are Americans AFRAID to search for the Truth and why won't the courts look into this case? Blacks expect something BUT so far only the Homosexuals and Abortionists and Wallstreet have profited from this regime. The Courts have recently reversed some key Civil Rts. victories in the Voting Act and there's NO black outcry YET Hispanics turn out en masse to "Fight/demonstrate for ILLEGAL ALIENS RTS" Blacks are STUPID. They are so happy to have a black president they can't see the harm he's doing. I tell them LOOK AT AFRICA. When England and other colonists (except Belgium) left africa they left Nigeria, Kenya etc WITH POSITIVE Bank BALANCES and PEACE in those nations. Now they have ALL BLACK PRESIDENTS, innumerable wars, Severe Poverty and ALL AFRICA IS BROKE. so much for black presidents

The courts aren't looking into the issue because every time they do, the actual facts prove that there isn't an issue. The Truth is that the whole birther movement is based on lies, fraud, ignorance and gullibility.

While you might be correct about some of the long-term effects, there is no Constitutional issue about BO's eligibility.

The people who are saying "who cares" about our President being legal to hold that position is alarming. The criteria for being President is clear and Obama hasn't proven anything. Instead, he has spend thousands of dollars sealing and covering up his records. If he were a "natural born" person, WHY doesn't he simply present the documentation and stop all these questions, once and for all.

If everyone that is SO SURE about Obama's status would simply look at their own "Certificate of Live Birth", they would immediately see a difference in theirs and the one posted for Obama. First and foremost, all of ours have a hospital name, attending physician, time of birth, whether the birth was a single, twin or triplet, the state registrar's name, etc. Obama's "birth certificate" from HI has NONE of these items. WHY?? His own grandmother said she was present when he was born in Kenya! Too bad that she is now deceased.

If you Obama Kool-aid drinkers would put down the cup for a second and think (which may be impossible at this point), there is a possibility that we now have a non-citizen serving as President. From what I've seen in his actions, Obama HATES the United States and has made quick work to destroy our country; a country whose freedom was paid for by the blood and lives of MANY, MANY patriot citizens.

Are we going to just sit here and let this happen OR are we going to continue to seek the truth from this interloper?

Obama has presented proof that he's a natural-born citizen. The birth certificate he's presented is what the State of Hawaii currently issues when you ask for a certified copy of your birth certificate.

And you're very confused. A fraud claimed that Obama's paternal step-grandmother in Kenya claimed that she was present when he was born in Kenya. Actually, she said nothing of the sort. She maintained, then and now, that Obama was born in Hawaii. As far as I know, she's still alive. It's his maternal grandmother who died.

As for kool-aid, birthers chug the stuff. They, and you, apparently, care nothing for the truth. Just a bunch of sore losers and conspiracy wackos on a witch hunt.

I moved to a new state last year and had to get a copy of my birth certificate--it does NOT have doctor or hospital. It has exactly what Obama's has on it: my name, date of birth, time of birth, mother and father's names and races.
Obama's grandmother never said he was born in Kenya. She doesn't speak english and was quoted as saying yes; but, it's been documented that when the translator translated the question "Was Barack Obama born in Kenya?" She said "NO, no". By the way his Kenyan grandmother who said this is not deceased and she still maintains that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. We Obama supporters may drink kool-aid; what do you Obama haters smoke?

U.S. President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

He has provided an official copy of his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, which is still available for viewing at his campaign website.

The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear any challenges to the question of President Obama's eligibility to be President. They have declined to hear these challenges because President Obama was born in the United States and the state of Hawaii has provided proof of that in the form of his birth certificate.

This is really sad that this story has gotten so many comments. I am really alarmed that so many people live in a completely alternate world, where the most outlandish claims are believed.

You people really are idiots and what you believe is completely ridiculous.

President Obama was born in America.

TIGER - You are responding based on information you have heard. My god man do your own homework and maybe you will learn something. That's what is sad!!

Our Constitution mandates "Natural Born Citizen"....is eligible to hold the office of POTUS.

So, how many STATE officials failed to meet their oaths, obligations of office by completely vetting candidates BEFORE their names were placed on the ballot?

So, how did the Democratic party manage to fail to vet their candidate for POTUS BEFORE placing Mr. Obama on the slate?

So, how long is it going to take until this issue gets resolved? Think anyone from within the process is going to acknowledge that they failed to follow the mandates of their office? Failed to follow our Constitution?

IF, and that's a big IF......Mr. Obama has the proof of being a Natural Born citizen...how long would it take an honest person of character and integrity to offer up the proof for complete verification?

So, come on, people...and main stream news. ASK the tough question, demand the verification and proof......to end the debate that Mr. Obama is or isn't qualified to hold the office of POTUS.

The Certification of Live Birth is an official document of the State of Hawaii. It says he was born in Honolulu. That's really all the verification needed.

Where is the main stream news media JOURNALISTS who have avoided ASKING this question of Mr. Obama DIRECTLY?

Where is the main stream news media when it comes to covering the lawsuits already filed and being squashed regarding the natural born citizenship qualification that is mandated by our Constitution?

Where is CONGRESS, you know....our elected, greedy, corrupt officials when it comes to addressing this issue?

Ask yourself WHY does this country need "Czars"......put in place? Why add this 'layer' of 'czars' when our government already has enough knuckleheads passing legislation they don't READ or KNOW the contents? And why 'czars'?? This is audacity at it's worst. Is this Russia? Why 'czars'? And WHY should American taxpayers be footing the bill for their salaries?

But, the crux of the issue remains. How did so many STATE officials, who are responsible for the investigation and vetting of candidates BEFORE they are listed on ballots.....FAIL to meet their responsibility to do so? Why wasn't and isn't this part of the fiasco making headlines?

Think for yourselves, people. Why, what is the 'hold up' for Mr. Obama to put this issue to rest once and for all. Instead of having attorneys fighting the process of full disclosure, WHY hasn't all the information been forthcoming? At this point? Everything proferred would have to be verified, certified by a team of document experts because there is a definite lack of honesty, integrity, and forthrightness missing from Mr. Obama's character.

Which rather goes right along with our 'elected officials' and all the appointee's who got rammed through despite their tax evasions, and background check problems.

America deserves BETTER. Vote them ALL out, 2010 and 2012. IF we have elections that haven't been tampered with by the ACORN crowd. And ask yourself, WHY is all the $$ being tossed at ACORN? Ask yourself, WHY is the census being tossed to ACORN and to Raul Emanuel when our Constitution mandates it remain under the jurisdiction of the Dept. of Congress. WHY aren't people and the main stream news and our CONGRESS speaking out against this?

Mabel, the term 'Czar' was first introduced as a term describing a US government official during the Nixon administration, so it's not something Obama dreamed up.

If Bush didn't show up to his Air National Guard duties (THAT reward for proof has never been collected) what's it matter where Obama popped out?

"Well, the law states that..."

I know what the law states. I am asking -what does it MATTER? What alters? What changes? An adult thinking it takes he has what it takes to be president despite being born somewhere else, like the good man John McCaine -

or - a grown man siging up to serve militarily, not doing it, then years later that same man as president trying to to be a military hero, badly.

I believe the intent of the framers of the constitution was to only allow natural born citizens. Somebody who does not have allegiance and loyalty to the country cannot come in and destroy the institutions, principles and culture that make our country unique because of their previous cultural views.

Also, the Constitution is a supreme document over the three branches of our government. Even the question of a possible violation being overlooked is a serious threat to the other facets of the document and an invitation for future infringement. If Article II can be sidestepped, what is the next level of escalation?

The question of Bush's military service is a real red-herring. However questionable his actions were in his youth, none of them were an issue of his presidential candidacys constitutionality.

Do ann you people believe everything you read online- are you really THIS stupid

@ Stephanie:

Let me reverse the question around to you: Do you get your "News" only from the talking puppets on CNN MSNBC and FOX?

~ Releasing birth, medical, college and passport records - $100
~ Concealing birth, medical, college and passport records - $1 MILLION+
~ Becoming US President without proper vetting - PRICELESS !

FREE one page flyer: http://citizen.home.texas.net/WhatIf_Priceless.pdf

Those who think to be a natural born citizen means only to be born here on U.S. soil are quite wrong. The 14th Amendment says that makes one a "citizen" of the USA....but NOT a natural born citizen.

The writer of the 14th Amendment Senator John A. Bingham said the following :

"I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . -

( John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

The writers of the Constitution understood "natural born citizen" to mean .... born in this country to parents who are citizens of this country.

Therefore to be a "natural born" citizen, one MUST be born on U.S. soil to parents who are both citizens.

Obama's father was NOT a U.S. citizen. So he cannot ever be a "natural born" citizen.

Once again, read US v. Wong Kim Ark. It contains an extensive discussion of what "natural-born" means. Nowhere does the majority opinion support your theory. The writers of the Constitution used the language of English common law in writing the Constitution. Under English common law, "natural-born" means born within the territory of the nation, with exceptions for diplomats. There are only two types of citizens: "natural -born" and naturalized. If you were born a citizen, then you are a natural-born citizen.

To respond to the flyer in more detail:
1) The only legal requirement for "natural-born" status is to be born here, or to be born to at least one citizen eligible to pass on citizenship. There are only two types of citizens: "natural-born" and "naturalized".

2) Unless you have some official evidence that he was officially adopted, or that his name was officially changed, the Indonesian school records are meaningless.

3) Prove that he lied about anything. Baseless accusations. Also known as wishful thinking.

4) Prove that he spent $1 million to conceal anything. How much did the Bush campaign spend on legal fees after the 2000 and 2004 elections?

5) While many Kenyans, including the ambassador, if that was an ambassador, may want to believe that BO was born in Kenya, the family has never claimed that. The interview that claimed otherwise was doctored (yet ANOTHER fraud).

6) The reason that every Hawaiian hospital has refused to confirm that Obama was born there is because of privacy laws (HIPAA). It could also be that they don't maintain birth records that far back. My local hospital only maintains them for 20 years.

And no one has addressed these issues because there's no reason to take any of them seriously. It's a witch hunt, a lynch mob, started by a bunch of sore losers and conspiracy wackos.

Where's your proof that anyone has spent a million to conceal anything?

And he has released his birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth is Hawaii's official birth certificate.

First--How do you all explain the birth anouncement placed by the hospital back in 1961? Yes, it is there, you can check the archives yourselves.
Two--Obama is not the first president to have only one parent who was a US citizen. Coolidge's father was born in Ireland and became a naturalized citizen when Collidge was 14. There were rumors at the time he ran for president that Coolidge himself was born in Canada, not Vermont. There have been several other president whose mothers were born in other countries. There have also been quite a few vice presidents who only had one US citizen parent and the Constitution says quite clearly that a vice president must be eligible to be president.
Three--Obama's birth certificate (and yes it is a valid certificate--play semantics all you want) looks just like mine and I was not only born in this country, I've never been out of it.
Four--many of the 'facts' you've been quoting are misreadings of the constitution and the law. You are quoting "facts" taken from unreliable, disputed and downright false sources.
Five--Obama is a citizen. Obama was born in Hawaii. Obama is eligible to be president.
Six--Here's hoping he wins a second term by a landslide!!!!!

First - anyone could place a birth annoucement in the Honolulu Advertiser back in 1961 - a parent, grandparent, or other relative. All they would need is a copy of the COLB. This doesn't prove he was BORN in Hawaii.
Two - What's the saying "Two wrongs don't make a right" If we had the internet,blogs and realtime access to factual information back in Coolidge's days I'm sure the issue would have come up then.
Third - In the state of HAWAII in 1961 a COLB could be issued for children NOT PHYSICALLY BORN in the HAWAII. It was Hawaii'slaw at the time.
Fourth - FACT- The Constitution requires a Presidential candidate to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN - not just a citizen. The definition of NBC has been debated and documented in many cases - born on US soil to parent(s) both of whom are American citizens.
Five - Obama may be a citizen (just like Arnold Schwartzeneger) but the requiremen is to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN - a completely different requirement.
Six - enjoy his socialist anti-American ways while you can - he is out in 2012.

1) BO's COLB says he was born in Hawaii.

2) It was Chester A Arthur, not Coolidge. And there was a serious effort to prove that Arthur wasn't eligible: claims that he was born in Canada or Ireland. Funny, the fact that his father was a British citizen when Arthur was born was public knowledge at the time, but no one gave it a second thought.

3) No, you could not get a COLB for children not physically born in Hawaii in 1961. You could get a Certificate of Foreign Birth, which would list their actual birthplace, not Hawaii. The COLB is not a separate document. It is an extract from Hawaii's database. If BO had a Certificate of Foreign Birth, the COLB would list his foreign birthplace.

4 & 5) There are only two kinds of citizen, "natural-born" or 'naturalized". US v. Wong Kim Ark has an extensive discussion of what "natural-born" meant in English common law, and states that the language of English common law is the language of the Constitution. Your theory is only supported by the dissenting opinion, which doesn't carry much legal weight.

Thanks, Twitchy. You are, of course right. It was Chester Arthur. I was just on a site reading about Coolidge before I came here and I 'mispoke'. Thanks for the correction. You are also right about the difference between a COLB and a Certificat of Foreign Birth.
To the person above who said the birth announcement could be placed by anyone. The one I'm referring to was the one that all hospitals place in local papers. It was placed by the hospital. Do not take my word for it--go look it up. ust how far back do you guys think this conspiracy goes?

Suze, I think you meant Chester A. Arthur, not Coolidge.

Amendment 14 specifies the requirements to be a US Citizen. Not a natural born citizen, but a "citizen".
The amendment states, "Any person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction therof, is a citizen".
Jurisdiction means complete and absolute jurisdiction per the framers of the amendment. Obama was born under limited jurisdiction, (actually a citizen of the United Kingdom as stated on his own web site. He still is a citizen of the UK unless he renounced it) and therefore not a citizen "at birth". At the age of majority, Obama could have become a naturalized citizen if he so desired. He never applied. He is not a citizen of the United States.

UK law does not override US law. According to US law, Obama is a natural-born citizen of the US.

He lost his UK citizenship in 1963, when Kenya became independent. And he lost all claim to Kenyan citizenship in 1982, since he had neither renounced his US citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya by his 21st birthday, and Kenya does prohibit dual citizenship for adults.

Give up the witch hunt.

Just looking at the first couple of pages, it's absolutely amazing how gullible you people are. You've got no real evidence, just a bunch of misinformation, disinformation, lies and frauds that you want to believe are true. I even see people quoting from an April Fool joke!

Just to mention two:
1. There is no explicit legal definition of "natural-born citizen". However, under English common law, "natural-born" means, essentially, born in the country. There are only two classes of citizens: natural-born and naturalized.

2. The Certification of Live Birth that Obama's campaign has shown is legal proof that he is a natural-born citizen. Hawaii, according to their Department of Health, no longer provides copies of the original birth certificate.

No matter how many times you repeat your mantras, they're still misinformation, disinformation, lies and frauds.

THANK YOU!!! You know these people will never believe anything other than the inuendos and falsehoods that they self-perpetuate through their various "down with Obama" sites! People Obama's birth certificate (Yes, it IS his birth certificate--play semantics all you want) looks exactly like mine---and I was born in the USA!!!!!

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