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KTBB's Question of the Day: Is There Enough Proof President Obama is a U.S. citizen?

June 24, 2009 - 7:12am

UNDATED—The editor of the popular Web site, World Net Daily, Joseph Farah, is offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who can prove they were present at the birth of President Barack Obama.

KTBB news anchor Garth Maier, asks East Texans if they think there is a lack of proof that the President was born in Hawaii.


455 comments

Enjoy your post's very much Mr. Barry Soetoro.

Paula

4 months ago

Article 2, Section 1, US Constitution.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

So what is a 'natural born' citizen?

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens", as defined in Vattel's masterpiece of political philosophy 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212, and instrumental to the Founding Fathers, who deemed it unnecessary to define in the Constitution, as it was already understood and clearly self evident.

Recently it has been erroneously suggested that Vattel's meaning was not apparent to the Founding Fathers, either in his original work written in French, or subsequent translations published shortly after the original volume. They falsely claim that Vattel's intended meaning was not apparent, until much later translations, made many years after the Constitution was written.

To such persons, so desperate to defend the eligibility of a usurper posing as president, I would simply remind them that the word "translation" is defined as: the rendering of something into another language or into one's own from another language.

Vattel's meaning was certainly evident in his own writing. This was then carried over into subsequent translations, as accurately as possible by the translator, in order to faithfully preserve Vattel's original meaning. To alter the original meaning would not be a translation, but a revision.

Therefore the fact that the original work was later translated to so clearly state that Vattel's original meaning was to define natural born citizens as those born in the country, of parents who are citizens, clearly serves to reinforce the tremendous impact Vattel's theories of natural law, had on the thinking of the Founding Fathers as they created our Constitution in 1787.

It is the height of presumptuous arrogance to presume to dismiss Vattel by saying the French term "indigenes" translates to "native-born". It actually translates to indigenous, which is a requirement of being a native citizen. However indigenous also implies original and generational. In fact, one can not be a natural born citizen without being native born and also having parents (plural) who are citizens.

If the Founding Fathers had meant native born, they would have written that. Instead they uniquely required one be a natural born citizen, to be eligible to serve as president.

They didn't say native citizenship, which means born in the country, irrespective of the citizenship of one's parents.

They didn't say naturalized citizenship, which means being born outside the country and later being made a citizen by emigration, marriage, adoption or special decree of congress.

They required the highest most exclusive form of citizenship possible, a natural born citizen, which means born in the country of parents (plural) who are citizens. They purposefully did this to assure the loyalty of the president to only the United States of America, as best they could.

Vattel, was truly held in the highest regard for his invaluable magnum opus 'The Law of Nations', which is still used as an invaluable reference for modern scholars studying our Constitution.

"I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept, has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting."
—Benjamin Franklin, letter to Charles W.F. Dumas, December 1775

"This [previous work on the law of nations], says a writer, is evidently rather an introduction than a system; and it served only to excite a desire to see it continued with equal perspicuity and elegance. The honor of this task was reserved for the great Vattel, whose work is entitled to the highest admiration!"
—James Duane, Mayor and Chief Judge of New York City, August 1784

"Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."
—John Jay, letter to George Washington, an attendee of the Constitutional Convention, July 25, 1787

As for the repetitious posts claiming that the Founding Fathers embraced English common law rather than the natural law espoused by Vattel, please accept that just as we differ in our loyalties to the truth and the Constitution, I see no value in attempting to reinforce the veracity of one's posts with redundancy, rather than facts. Therefore, in the spirit of both consistency and brevity, I shall simply leave the repeat offenders with this short reminder of the facts, by means of a definitive quote on the matter.

“The common law of England is not the common law of these States.”
---George Mason, Virginia delegate to the U.S. Constitutional Convention and the Founding Father primarily responsible for the addition of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States.

Mr. Barry Soetoro

4 months ago

It seems to me that you completely misunderstand how our legal documents are interpreted. The United States Supreme Court decides "what the law is." They long ago rejected your interpretation. You can claim that this was wrong of them -- but they've made many decisions that could be argued were wrong. That's why we have dissents, because there is almost always a reasonable argument on the other side. If there weren't, the issue would never have been appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. Your argument lost in this case, and it will almost certainly not be revived. Therefore, under ACTUAL United States law, Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen (unless you seriously believe he faked being born in Hawaii).

LovesLiberty

4 months ago

Noting that you've chosen "LovesLiberty" as a moniker, I would also remind you that the Constitution was written to keep government at bay. It is your sole claim to the Liberty you say you love. Therefore, you might wish to support and defend it with all your heart, mind and might.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin." [1]

Regarding your assertion of an "argument lost" please be advised that neither the Supreme Court nor any lower court, has ever directly addressed the issue of 'a natural born citizen', even while addressing the two remaining types of citizenship, both native and naturalized.

There are two very good reasons for them to never have done so.

First, a careful reading of Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution reveals the meaning to be self evident. The reasoning of the Founding Fathers is perfectly clear in the way they crafted the article, which can only mean that 'a natural born citizen' is one born in the US of citizen parents. The Founding Fathers wisely required both 'soil and blood' for presidential eligibility to assure loyalty of the highest office in the land to only the United States, as best they could.

Second, before 'Obama the usurper', the issue had never come up. Every prior US President was a natural born citizen, which establishes a very strong historical precedent, with the sole exception discovered long after the fact, of Chester Arthur.

Well ahead of eventually realizing his greatest political ambition by assuming the presidency on September 19, 1881, Arthur purposefully perpetrated an elaborate fraud to hide the fact that his emigrated Irish father had not become a naturalized US citizen until August 1843, fourteen years after our 21st president was born in 1829 at Fairfield, Vermont. [2]

Obama's Kenyan father precludes him from being a natural born citizen. Therefore he is not eligible to serve as president and is in fact, a usurper posing as our de facto president. Every military command, executive order, law or political appointment he has authorized as a usurper is null and void. This creates the potential for a very grave Constitutional crisis.

Every member of the US military is both legally and honor bound to refuse to obey illegal orders, especially those issued by an illegal president. In fact, it is a severe violation of the UCMJ to obey an illegal order. Any command issued by 'Obama the usurper' is an illegal order, which if obeyed, particularly during time of war, subjects members of our brave military to forfeiture of all Geneva Convention protections afforded to legal combatants.

Furthermore, obeying illegal orders potentially subjects members of our valiant military to charges of committing illegal war crimes and international prosecution. As demonstrated by the Nuremberg trials following W.W.II, history teaches us that just following orders, is no defense for illegal acts. Therefore having compromised our military as a Constitutionally unauthorized Commander in Chief, 'Obama the usurper', is a clear and present danger to our national security, as well as the freedom and liberty of each American.

Every major branch of government, and particularly the US Military, is sworn to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Having been duly entrusted and legally empowered by the citizens of the United States of America, they are now faced with a solemn Constitutional duty to immediately remove 'Obama the usurper" from the office of the Presidency.

To all good Americans serving our nation in support and defense of the US Constitution, truly I humbly pray you stay well and succeed with God speed.

Duty, Honor, Country.

1. Excerpt: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2000/cr020200.htm

2. Document: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11067180/William-Arthur-father-of-President-Ch...

Mr. Barry Soetoro

4 months ago

"First, a careful reading of Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution reveals the meaning to be self evident. The reasoning of the Founding Fathers is perfectly clear in the way they crafted the article, which can only mean that 'a natural born citizen' is one born in the US of citizen parents."

Complete and utter BS. You're simply a wacko, with no ability to accept facts that don't fit into your wacko world.

Even the dissent, in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, which is the only place I've ever heard of the Supreme Court even mentioning Vattel, did not try to create a third class of citizen, as you are trying to do.

t

4 months ago

Actually the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Congress, with the consent of the President, provided they can not reach a sufficient majority among themselves to override a presidential veto, decides what new federal laws shall be enacted.

The Supreme Court decides if such laws, when Constitutional challenges survive lower court decisions, or when disputes arise that merit being presented directly to the high court, comport to the full wight and measure of the United States Constitution.

Mr. Barry Soetoro

4 months ago

A very wordy, repetitious and redundant attempt to support a theory with no relevant evidence, facts or reason.

Where did the authors of the Constitution define the term "natural-born"? It was a term that did not appear in Vattel. It is a term that had extensive use in English common law. That is why the meaning "was already understood and clearly self evident." That was the language, and the meaning, that the Founding Fathers were familiar with.

Twitchy

5 months ago

Twitchy, that issue has been more than adequately addressed in prior posts. While I appreciate your invitation to revisit old ground, unless you provide fresh, factual, and well reasoned criticism, I believe the stated facts speak well for themselves and need not be repeated.

Please consider that the repetition of failed behavior with no reasonable expectation of achieving different results, is a sure sign of insanity.

Therefore I enthusiastically await your continued criticism.

Mr. Barry Soetoro

4 months ago

So, where is your "fresh, factual, and well reasoned criticism"? You keep repeating the same thing over and over, despite the fact that there is no historical or legal support for your odd theories.

"Please consider that the repetition of failed behavior with no reasonable expectation of achieving different results, is a sure sign of insanity."

Are you saying that you're insane? Or that there is no chance of you ever changing your mind? Isn't that also a sign of insanity?

Twitchy

4 months ago

An interesting point that I've just become aware of:

Apparently there were several translations of Vattel's "Droit des gens" (English: "The Law of Nations"). The first to use the actual phrase "natural-born citizens" wasn't published until 1797, 10 years after the Constitution was ratified. Previous translations used the French term "indigenes" instead, which means "native-born". So, it would appear that the only source for the authors of the Constitution for the meaning of the term "natural-born" is English common law.

Twitchy

4 months ago

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