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KTBB's Question of the Day: Is There Enough Proof President Obama is a U.S. citizen?

POSTED: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:12am

UPDATED: Monday, December 2, 2013 - 10:59am

UNDATED—The editor of the popular Web site, World Net Daily, Joseph Farah, is offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who can prove they were present at the birth of President Barack Obama.

KTBB news anchor Garth Maier, asks East Texans if they think there is a lack of proof that the President was born in Hawaii.

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The demonstrable missing birth certificate is a conveniently expedient hot button question because Obama clearly can't produce one or he would have by now, rather than a CoLB or 'Certification of live Birth'. Despite Hawaii affirming a CoLB is on file for Obama, it proves nothing more than he was born alive, somewhere! The Hawaiian CoLB is fatally flawed as proof of being born in Hawaii because HI issued these to foreign born children. A child could be registered with the state within one year of birth by a parent who was a Hawaiian resident, and easily receive a CoLB without any independent official state verification of the information provided by the parent, such as the place of birth.

If Obama has an actual vault long form 'Certificate of Birth' why does he even have a CoLB at all? Is it even possible to have both or does one legally preclude the other? Furthermore the CoLB he posted on his web-site, and suspiciously refuses to let Hawaii release for verification, is alleged to be fraudulent based on analysis by computer graphics experts. Obama arrogantly considers himself above the law by simply refusing to meet his burden of proof regarding his birth place, which many feel is essentially an admission of being foreign born.

Obama is making a mockery of our Constitution by daring to only show us only a mere Internet graphic of a fatally flawed and allegedly fraudulent CoLB, rather than physically producing a valid vault long form U.S. birth certificate. Aided by a destructively dishonest activist liberal media, treasonous Congressional dereliction of duty for failing to verify his eligibility and unconscionable heinous judicial apathy, Obama apparently stands openly unopposed. By failing in their duty to immediately remove Obama from office, each and every government employee now stands in dishonor for not upholding the sacred charge entrusted to them by American citizens, despite having all voluntarily sworn a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

If Obama was born in Kenya and not the United States as many now reasonably suspect, he was also born a colonial citizen of Great Britain. He acquired additional disqualifying foreign citizenship years later in Indonesia, as the adopted son of Lolo Soetoro. In fact no record exists proving he ever applied for repatriation as a naturalized citizen after his return, so legally Obama may in fact be an illegal alien!

However his most glaring eligibility failure is simply not being a 'natural born' citizen, meaning born in the U.S., with both parents also being U.S. citizens. Our Founding Father's wisely included this requirement in the Constitution to prevent just such a catastrophic clear and present danger to our national security as we now face, with a usurper posing as president. Obama's father is Kenyan. Therefore irrespective of where Obama was born, multiple foreign citizenship, or possibly being an illegal alien, Obama can never be a natural born citizen and is not Constitutionally eligible to serve as President of the Untied States of America!

So why do our congress and senate do nothing? Why are we all allowing this impostor to continue to sit in the presidency? Let's keep hounding our congressmen and senators to do something. Unfortunately, if we have democrats for either, they will do nothing. We the people are being ripped off.

Is this site working OK?

I get emails, open them, then click to read poster's comment but it opens to comment # 260 and no more. Has been that way since about 12:30 PM today.

BlaBla@BlaBlaObama.com

http://www.BlaBlaObama.com

If our Government employees do not obey our Constitution, doesn't this constitute treason? Each federal employee, civilian and military, Congressperson, judge, Secret Service agent, and General or private has sworn an oath to defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. So, if Obama continues to refuse to show whether he enrolled in college as a foreign student, traveled with a foreign passport, or was actually born in Hawaii, and not Kenya, at what point will these (our) employees take the necessary actions to defend our Constitution? These solemn promises are a condition of their employment, and, so far, they individually and collectively are violating that condition - and their own sacred honor! What did they think they were swearing to - a joke? What do employers do when their employees refuse to do the job they were hired to do? They fire the unneeded employees, and do the job themselves! The patience of We the People is wearing awfully thin - please do not go there employees!

I personally researched all of the available public information sites for a court record of name change which CONTRARY to the beliefs of many isn't necessary when a person either has a prior name reinstated. Most states do require a formal petition of name change. Also there are state requirements regarding the public being advised of the name change via public media for a prescribed period of time.The name change is carried in newspapers often for extended periods. To date I have been unable to find any legal name reinstatement for Barrack Hussein Obama. It is possible that this name is NOT EVEN A LEGAL NAME I refer to him as Barry Soetoro.

For those enchanted by the Internet posting of what is supposed to be Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, please note that it is documented that Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, also has a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth - and she undisputedly was born in Indonesia! There is also the equal issue of whether Obama is actually even a citizen, since the last known published record shows that he is Muslim student in an Indonesian school which only permitted Indonesian citizens to attend! Yes, there are other records - just hidden by Obama! We citizens may have paid for his college education because he was a foreign student - how is that for adding insult to injury?

For all the Obots that believe that Barry has been transparent by posting the Certification Of Live Birth as a jpeg on a website... He has not been forthcoming with any proof he is eligible!

The jpeg copy states that the Certification is prima facie evidence in a COURT PROCEEDING. Barry is an attorney and would be aware that the best legal manner to present his evidence would be to show up in court and present the PRIMARY document which would be his long form BC and not a secondary source document such as this certification which can be legally challenged as to it's veracity even in a court proceeding even IF it were to be shown to be genuine.

The Hawaiian vital statistic officials are bound by the same privacy laws that prevent just anyone from getting a peek at his BC in the vital records facility and thus cannot legally reveal any details concerning details and information contained on records held by Hawaii.

Hawaiian law allows for unattended births to be recorded by the state and the records not show up as altered or delayed and the details of the event are as relayed by the parent or person having knowledge of the event.

Oopscheck is not a court and lacks the subpeonae power to verify that the certification is what Barry infers it is and since they are affiliated with the Annenberg foundation for which Barry was also an employee have a definite conflict
of interest to act as verifier of his eligibility anyway.

This means that the certification , "official" vital records statements, and the "newspaper" article that are pulled from such records, statements by Oopscheck, etc. are worthless as "proof" that he was born in Hawaii.

This whole BC issue is a charade to divert attention away from the real issue of his
being a dual citizen at birth and thus
not a natural born citizen and ineligible to be president.

Barry is a clever pretender not unlike Frank Abernali of "Catch Me If You Can"
fame who also used faked documents to
hide his true ineligibility to be an airline pilot, doctor, and attorney general, etc. and carry out a life of crime.

The sooner he is removed from office the better.

There is not one shred of evidence that Soetoro/Obama is actually a citizen of the United States, much less a Natural Born Citizen.... and he continues to pay lawyers thousand$ to hide his personal records.

I listened to the callers comments. I am a Democrat born in Chicago (Cook County a/k/a Cesspool of Corruption) grew up in DuPage County. This entire issue is about the Constitution not liberal, conservative, Democrat, Republican it is about our Constitution the highest law of the land, which everyone in government takes an oath to preserve, protect and defend. I could not vote for Obama since I read about this in August 08. Phil Berg's original lawsuit. My first thought was no American should have the slightest doubt as to the authenticity of a candidate. To put a forged birth certificate on a web-site that is beyond disgusting that equals in my mind a great big fat lie. Obama still has not provided any documentation (in hopes this would just go away?) If he cannot provide proof of legitimacy he is not now, nor has he ever been president of the United States of America. Any law he signed null and void. There are currently hundreds of lawsuits addressing this issue some filed by high ranking military officers and other officers. These suits were generated from at least August 08 until present and will continue until truth prevails. No country can have illegitimacy of its highest ranking members, the citizens can have no doubts re: their elected officials that are there to serve WE THE PEOPLE. Another side issue that has come up why the media blackout all this time? Has the press just caught up with the people's questions. Check out Mark McGrew Pravda who has been writing about this for months. Shocking but Russia has a freer press than the United States of America.

Just show the damned papers. Candidates had to reveal tax papers--that is pretty invasive.

WE know his mother was a sleep-around kind of gal; so, who cares if lil bo is a bastard or not? The question is is he a natural CITIZEN as outlined in the potus requirements.

Failure to reveal the acaul documents casts doubt here. What is his issue.

if he truly IS eligible, juts slap down those puppies on a table and say, here it is!

My hope is that he was never actually BORN and that this is all a dream, a dream , , , ,

I have read so many of these posts and I conclude that the problem we have here in the USA is a spectrum of intellectual differences. Maybe, just maybe, if parents were held responsible for their child's test scores the tide would change, eh?

I believe BO to be an imposter. Behavior says so much more than words, and BO's behavior AND character are not American born. We, the tax payers, need to create a situation where SCOTUS has no other choice than to demand to see the "goods". We, the people, are the employers of those who are hosing us. Out of anarchy our new leader will rise. And this time out, let's be sure to elect an American.

This birth certificate issue of Obama should have been vetted at the same time John McCain had to prove his eligibility, BEFORWE the elections.
That Barack Obama choose NOT to openly reveal his long form birth certificate, nor his college transcripts, but instead spend hundred's of thousands of dollars to block discovery, leads me to believe he is without any doubt, hiding something from the public.
This is NOT transparency that he promised, but more lies we can believe in from dirty politicians.
I say produce THE DOG GONE BIRTH CERTIFICATE BARACK!!! And ALL college records too!

The answer is simple; provide the 1961 birth certificate filed after the birth. Since foreign-born children could be registered in Hawaii under Act 96 in 1961, if Obama was actually born there, the delivering doctor's name will be on the certificate along with the hospital of delivery. Why has Obama spent over $1M keeping that document secret? McCain showed his; why not Obama? What is Obama hiding? In 1967 he was an Indonesian citizen. Did he reclaim his American citizenship at 18? Not if he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 under a passport that wasn't American. The American people deserve to know their Constitution has not been circumvented. The American people deserve and want to see Obama's documents. This issue isn't going away for all the attempts by the Obama worshippers to make the issue appear irrelevant and the product of "sore losers."

I checked out the following with Snopes and they verified that it is fact.

Subject: Obama received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey .. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources "to block disclosure" of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS THAT THE MEDIA WON'T EMBRACE!

Lucy, you're a liar. Snopes clearly states that that story was an April Fools joke, and that it is false.

Lucy,

This is a hoax. The Associated Press did not write or release this. The group, Americans for Freedom of Information, does not exist, and FullBright Scholarships are only given to post-graduate foreign students. While Obama may have been a foreigner, he was not post-graduate when studying at Occidental. Occidental has not released Obama's school records. If Snopes says this is true, such speaks to the accuracy of Snopes.

what I find amazing is this marooned announcer considers World Nut Daily a reputable news source, Jo Farah is an idiotic liar at best.

Jo Farah is an idiotic liar at best. But not as good as the Liar in Chief Obama the chicken president. That's why his name is Baaaarack sounds like a chicken to me... LOL! Dolt!

I am still amazed for all who think that this is still about the birth certificate. It's not, it's about dual citizenship, which BO admitted that his papa was a British citizen. Does it matter? You bet it matters. You have a split allegiance, which is what the framers of the Constitution knew and wanted to avoid. Why? Ever hear of traitors?

Then you have others who are trying to make this a conservative movement only. Guess what everyone? Many of the people are Democrats in this movement, there's Repubs, Independents, just all kinds of people, mixed. There are still many Democrats who love the constitution and it matters to them.

Next, you have people making this about race. Give me a break. Who cares what color someone's skin is. I surely don't care. Even Michael Steele, a black man, admitted that BO hadn't been vetted. And everyone seems to forget that BO is 1/2 white too. Not only that he's more Arab than black. So that even makes him more white, yet this doesn't matter. I'm amazed that this country is still so ignorant about all this race stuff. It just shows there are tons of people brainwashed by the MSM.

According to the laws of the US, Mr. Obama could not attain citizenship due to age of his mother at time of his birth. Separate issue but there were laws about such.

The next issue is that one cannot be a dual citizen under the presidential citizenship test. The Founders excluded themselves.

Mr. Obama has spent nearly one million dollars fighting off the issue--nothing to hide? Why not just show a birth certificate and not the Hawaiian one issued to any child born outside of that state at the time. Where is the long form?

No one knows how paid for his schooling but from what I've read his tuition and aid was as a foreign student. That much has come out. We have an illegal alien for "president". Top that.

Gary

Seems that the proof of eligibility regarding Bla Bla Obama is with the United States Congress as it was regarding Senator McCain.

If so, perhaps it is time to question the United States Congress regarding the Bla Bla Obama eligibility.

Better yet, perhaps it is time to purge Congress.

http://www.PurgeCongress.com

All we can hope for is that someday soon we will be witness to an Obamagate investigation.

we know and those in the media know that mr.o is kenyan and by fraud is in the white house,but that is what we get when we let things go unchecked and now that so many other crooked politictions will fall when the truth comes out they are doing all they can to keep this a non story. Mr.o is nothing more then a sleeper cell whose sole purpose to to bring about civil unrest to the point of civil war. Look out come 2012. The end is at hand,or atleast the end of the world as we know it.

You are right, both sides know the truth about Mr Obama, even McCain so he also has to go! The mask is being unvailed, now what will this so called Goverment do? No one spends the mony he has if their is nothing to hide! This man and all that follow him are doing a good job of taking our Country down!

Louigirl_Chicago, internet photos are not sufficient for ANY legal purpose.

Especially not internet photos where the validating "seal" doesn't bend when the page it's on bends, or where the longest line of type is missing from a "side view" of the seal that's supposedly on the same document.

And especially internet photos that were generated on Photoshop.

Why do you think the government will not accept computer scans for any documentation purposes?

"A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Obama could not have become an Indonesian citizen, according to Indonesian law, because that would have caused dual citizenship. As a minor, he could not permanently give up his US citizenship.

And "natural-born" is clearly defined in the arguments to US v. Wong Kim Ark as being born within the U.S..

This has always been a witch hunt, perpetrated by a bunch of sore losers and conspiracy theorists.

But you'll continue to believe what you want to believe, despite the total lack of any actual facts to support what you want to believe.

Sorry, you can't read but if you had read ALL of the article you'd understand that it read, "If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president."

Dummy... LOL!

Yes, you are a dummy. "The suit claims". The suit is totally bogus. There is zero evidence to support any of its allegations.

Witch hunt. Lynch mob. Total disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law.

Len Wenzlick, look at Factcheck's photo #5 at http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
Trace the circle dissected by the top fold. It’s distorted, it bends with the fold. The “seal” dissected by the bottom fold is folded at the same angle. If you have a laptop tip the screen back so you can see the shape of that circle. It’s perfectly round. I’ve tried every combination of page fold and camera possible and could never get that angle to produce a perfectly round circle. That “seal” was not on that page.

Could I just be mistaken? Double check it this way:

Notice that right under the bottom fold is the place where the father’s name is printed: Barack Hussein Obama. It’s the longest line on the bottom part of the page.

Now look at http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

Right underneath the fold, where “Barack Hussein Obama” is supposed to be, there is nothing. Other, shorter lines of typing are visible but not that longest line on the page. This can’t be the same document as on the other page. Why did factcheck post a photo of somebody else’s seal as though it was Obama’s? Because Obama’s didn’t have a seal; it was added to the #5 photo digitally, which is why the seal doesn't bend with the page.

Photo #5, the first one you looked at, and a sideways version of it (#2) are the only photos with both Obama’s information and the authenticating seal. Photo #1 proves that the seal on #5 was forged. That’s all Obama has ever offered.

If he had been embarassed by information such as who his father was, he could have requested a certified verification from Hawaii that only verified his name and birth place. But if he had done that then Factcheck wouldn't have needed to do a close-up of somebody else's seal. Apparently Obama didn't have ANY genuine, non-forged seal at all.

That's just what FActcheck shows. The reality is that what BO posted on Fightthesmears didn't have a seal at all, which indicates that we've got at LEAST 2 different documents which Obama tried to pass off as real.

Nor did the Fightthesmears COLB have the bottom fold - which indicates it was not mailed. The date on the Factcheck COLB is June 7, 2007 - precisely the date when Obama was arguing with Lindsey Graham in the Senate regarding amnesty. Other days that week he was campaigning. Obama was not there in person in Hawaii to pick up a COLB. How did he get a COLB with only a top fold?

Great comment and I agree 100 percent!! If Obama is not a American citizen by birth then our Constitution states that you can not be president no if ands or butts about it!!
So my question would be if Obama is not our president are we still under the Bush administration's rule??
Think people Obama has changed nothing and on top of that he is Bushes cousin so do the research he is no God sent he is an corporate ran, grove loving puppet that just happens to have some black in him. lol good luck all!

Nellie,
The fold at the top runs through the center of the seal. That means that the distortion is at its maximum. The fold at the bottom runs near the edge of that seal. That means the distortion is much less.

And the father's name is there on the picture of the seal. It's just extremely out of focus, and almost completely washed out by the lighting. But if you magnify the picture you can see a smudge where the name belongs. Notice that the border design is also washed out right there.

As for the original image not having a seal, try scanning something that has a raised seal at 100dpi, with the scanner's cover pressing it flat. Chances are that you won't be able to see any trace of the seal, or any folds in the paper. I tried that with an old college transcript, with a raised seal, and that's what I found.

"What is posted on Obama's "Fight the Smears" website as well as FactCheck.org is the abbreviated short-form "certification of live birth" that could have been issued for a child born overseas, and thus does not prove he was born in Hawaii." D. Kupelian

Irrespective of where he was born he is not eligible, BO is not a 'natural born' citizen, "those born in the country, of parents (plural) who are citizens", as defined in Vattel's 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212

U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It is amazing how supposedly educated people cannot distinguish being an American citizen and being eligible to occupy the highest office in the country. There are plenty of American citizens who are ineligible to occupy that office according to the constitutional requirements. The focus should be on divided loyalties, dual citizenship which disqualifies you from being president. If Barry Soetoro traveled on an Indonesian passport, question whether he was naturalized to be Indonesian, if so, he had to take an oath to renounce his previous citizenship. If his previous citizenship was British because of his Kenyan/Brit father, then he had to be naturalized to be a US citizen. If he was already a US citizen then question if he had to give it up to be Indonesian in order to travel to Pakistan. This could be what is being hidden in the refusal to access his college admission applications.

Having one parent a US citizen does not satisfy the constitutional requirements, he is just a dual citizen which is the right focus on this issue. For some countries you cannot renounce your citizenship, it is only suspended until you reestablish residence in the country of your birth even though you may have been naturalized in another country.

If anyone is interested there is a statement that was made back in Oct.2008 by the lawyers for obama/DNC in response to one of the lawsuits..."releasing the documents (birth certificate, school records etc) would cause particularly serious embarrassment and injury to the Obama/and or the DNC." now why do you think those docs would cause EMBARRASSMENT...because they hold the truth he IS NOT eligible.sounds like an admission of guilt right off.

Perhaps the Bla Bla Obama presidency is bogus.

Perhaps Bla Bla Obama is an illegal alien.

http://www.BlaBlaObama.com

The solution for Mr. Obama is so easy, just show the real thing.

Please read Leo Donofrio's legal analysis:

Ed. 7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf

The State Department is part of the Executive Branch. The Foreign Affairs Manual is hosted at “State.gov” (see URL). Please note that the analysis of eligibility by the State Department – now controlled by Obama – requires two US Citizen parents.

Many have argued that Senate Resolution 511 – which served to falsely sanitize John McCain’s POTUS eligibility – states that a natural born citizen is a person born abroad to “American citizens” – plural.

[UPDATED: 9:07AM] – The actual language of the resolution reads as follows:

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

Furthermore, the official statement of Senator Leahy which is part of the congressional record to the proposed resolution states:

Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen.

And finally, the testimony of Secretary Cherthoff who was a Federal Judge was also made part of the official record. He stated:

My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.

The argument has merit to the Obama eligibility issue in that Senate Resolution 511 – co-sponsored by Obama – does not state that a person is a natural born citizen if born abroad to only one citizen parent.

The magic question is:

Why was it important to all who co-sponsored Senate Resolution 511 that both parents be citizens?

What was their logic? The question is certainly not the same as to Obama because McCain was born abroad and not on US soil. Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, his supporters argue birth on US soil alone makes him a natural born citizen. I recognize there is a difference in circumstance.

However, the important point to be made with regard to Senate Resolution 511 concerns the policy that appears to prohibit a person from natural born citizen status if born abroad to only one citizen parent.

Why does it require two citizen parents? What is the policy behind the language requiring two US citizen parents? This is where the issue can be further supported by your questioning of Senators. Policy as used with regards to the drafting of laws is a legal term of art. It’s analogous to concern. What legal concern is acknowledged by requiring two citizen parents? Get the Senate and Obama to answer that question.

Obama eligibility supporters have argued that back when the framers drafted the Constitution women couldn’t vote and therefore a preference for acknowledging the father’s citizenship prevailed as to the son. These Obama supporters argue that if the Constitution ever required two citizen parents for natural born citizenship such requirement is not relevant any longer since women can now vote by Constitutional amendment.

To that argument I will now ask why Senate Resolution 511 doesn’t state that a person born abroad to one citizen parent is a natural born citizen?

WHY DOES THE SENATE REQUIRE TWO CITIZEN PARENTS FOR NATURAL BORN CITIZEN STATUS OF THOSE BORN ABROAD?

What is so important and relevant to natural born citizen status that both parents must be citizens if the child is born abroad? How would Obama, who co-sponsored Senate Resolution 511, answer this question? This is the question you need to now ask your Senators who agreed unanimously to Senate Resolution 511. Get a quote on the record answering this question.

I’m trying to imagine their answers in light of the Obama dual nationality issue and the arguments which claim he is not eligible according to the framer’s intent and Vattel’s definition of natural born citizen. They would have no other reason to argue both parents be citizens other than the safety of the nation and the framers intent.

Ask them specifically how they have determined their level of concern requiring two US citizen parents. It will not be easy for them to craft a response which doesn’t also acknowledge the very same concerns for person’s born on US soil to a parent who was never a US citizen.

But more important is that the very same question now needs to be asked of Obama’s own State Department which to this day also acknowledges the necessity of citizen parents on the same issue in their continued publication of the Foreign Affairs Manual at 7 FAM 1131.6-2.

Again, that section states:

“It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.”

Why does the Obama State Department’s continued publication of the Foreign Affairs manual acknowledge that the issue requires two US citizen parents?

What is the policy requiring both parents be US citizens as opposed to just one?

Please also note that Senate Resolution 511 does not discuss ordinary “citizenship”. This is a fine distinction which needs to be noted clearly. In Senate Resolution 511 they acknowledged that natural born citizenship is not the same as citizenship. Since one can become a citizen by naturalization, neither parent would need to be a US citizen.

In Senate Resolution 511, the Senate has acknowledged that “citizens” are not the same for Constitutional purposes as “natural born citizens”. This is confirmation, even signed on by Obama, that it takes something more to be a “natural born citizen” of the US rather than just a “citizen” of the US. Those who argue they are the same for purposes of POTUS eligibility must be confronted by Obama’s own admission in both co-sponsoring Senate Resolution 511 and publishing the Foreign Affairs manual that they are not one in the same thing.

I do not agree at all with the Senate’s definition of “natural born citizen” in Senate Resolution 511, but I do agree with the Senate and Obama that all citizens are not natural born citizens for purposes of satisfying the rigid requirements to be President in Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution.

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17 Responses to “Why do both Obama’s State Department and the Senate require two US citizen parents for those born abroad to attain natural born citizen status?”
Mick Says:
June 24, 2009 at 6:58 am
Leo,
I commented on this subject in your previous post before I knew that you had written this one. This 7 Fam statute and Resolution 511 are certainly related. The Amendment attempt by McCaskill and Resolution 511 were careful not to combine the 2 parts of the equation Soil and Blood, which would imply that Obama is Presently Not Qualified. Of course they would argue that Jus Soli is all that is required to be a NBC because of the 14A, It is a Birthright to them. Those born abroad, they would say, totally ignoring the constitution, are NBC because of statute (Naturalization Act of 1790) and not by Birthright Entitlement. It is amazing that such an error is in the State Department Manual (it forgets the Naturalization Act of 1795). I would say that the 14A has been the most usefully abused Amendment by those who wish to undermine the Constitution. In title 8 section 1401 of the state department manual it is actually stated that “Subject to the Jurisdiction” only applies to the exclusion of diplomats since those born in the US are already Subject to the Jurisdiction of the US. It all goes back to Gray’s obliteration of the Juridictional clause. My question is why is WKA controling Law to this manual and not Perkins v. Elg which was 33 years later?
The State department in Title 8 Chapter 12 Subsection 3 says that a child born of a single citizen service parent abroad before 1952 was a “Citizen”, provided he have 5 years residency in the US beore age 21.
http://law.justia.com/us/codes/title8/8usc1401a.html

Obama supporters like to frame the question of who is a Natural Born Citizen by saying “Whom, in other words is a US citizen at birth?” This is where they turn themselves into a pretzel. The question should be “whom is a US Citizen at birth and Not subject to the Jurisdiction of any foreign government?” They imply that all of these US Citizens at birth listed in Title 8 Section 1401 are NBC? What a wicked web they weave! All because of the muddying of the Jurisdictional Clause!
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

How do you explain the birth anouncements for Obama placed in the local newspapers back in 1961? These birth anouncements were placed by the hospital not by the parents. Are you suggesting that the conspiracy goes back that far?
Oh, and by the way, we've had several presidents with only one parent being a US citizen. Check out Coolidge whose father was not only born in Ireland; but, rumor had it at the time that Coolidge was born in Canada. Obama's birth certificate looks just like mine. People there are just too many important things going on that we need to be concentrating on--real problems.

Two interesting assertions, however they are both false.

Here's why.

Issue 1.

Following her return to Hawaii from Kenya, either pregnant or with a new born, Obama's mother registered Obama's birth with the state, thus qualifying Obama for a CoLB or 'Certification of Live Birth'. A CoLB could be issued for a foreign born child, provided one parent was a resident of Hawaii. Obama adamantly refuses to grant Hawaii permission to release his CoLB for public verification, despite claiming to have posted it on his web-site. Therefore it is not publicly known if his mother did or did not report that Obama was born in Kenya, if indeed he was, which may or may not appear on his real CoLB.

Obama can not produce a valid vault long form U.S. 'Certificate of Birth', because he doesn't have one. He has a CoLB. It prohibited for someone two have both a CoLB and a Certificate of Birth. Furthermore, unlike a CoLB, a U.S. birth certificate can not be issued to foreign born children.

As for the birth announcement, either the state as a matter or routine concomitant with the registration process, or his mother, could have easily placed the simple listing with the newspaper. No hospital in Hawaii has a record of Obama being born there. They can't say if he was due to privacy concerns, but they can say if he wasn't. Even his half sister, who is foreign born and also has a Hawaiian CoLB, has on separate occasions claimed Obama was born in two different hospitals.

WND is offering $10,000 to anyone who can prove they were present at Obama's birth. No takers yet.

Issue 2.

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents (plural) who are citizens".

President Calvin Coolidge was born in Pymouth VT.
His father, Col. John Coolidge was born in Plymouth VT.
His mother, Victoria Josephine Moor was born in Plymouth, VT

President Calvin Coolidge was therefore a natural born citizen.

Father:
John Calvin Coolidge was born on 21 Mar 1845 in Plymouth, VT. He died on 18 Mar 1926 in Plymouth, VT. He was a politician in Vermont. "Served three terms in Vermont House of Representatives and one term in the Senate". He was a colonel. Parents: Calvin Galusha Coolidge and Sarah Almeda Brewer.

He was married to Victoria Josephine Moor on 6 May 1868 in Plymouth, VT. Children were: President Calvin John Coolidge, Abigail Gratia Coolidge .

Mother:
Victoria Josephine Moor was born on 14 Mar 1846 in Plymouth, VT. She died on 14 Mar 1885 in Plymouth, VT.

She was married to John Calvin Coolidge on 6 May 1868 in Plymouth, VT. Children were: President Calvin John Coolidge, Abigail Gratia Coolidge.

Child:
President Calvin John Coolidge was born on 4 Jul 1872 in Plymouth, VT.

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents (plural) who are citizens". , as defined in Vattel's masterpiece of political philosophy 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212, and instrumental to the Founding Fathers, who deemed it unnecessary to define in the Constitution, as it was already understood.

This is supported by the personal writings of the Founding Fathers, the 1st & 3rd Congressional record, and case law.
See the detailed history and facts here.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

Obama's Kenyan father precludes Obama from being natural born. Therefore Obama is not eligible under the Constitution and is an illegal usurper!

NO! Never has been and never will be.

Said proof does not exist.

The Bla Bla Obama administration is a freak show.

http://www.BlaBlaObama.com

NO!!

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
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No matter whether you support or don't support Obama, by him hiding ALL of the above facts about himself means that he is hiding something big. It may not even be where he was born. It could be something bigger. All U.S. citizens should be asking themselves what could he be hiding that is even bigger.

Seems funny to hear people call in and say this is a ploy by the Republicans to try & discredit Obama, when Phil Berg is a democrate, thats been asking for Obama's BC since last summer. And when did following what the Constitution says, become wrong & discriminating?????

Twitchy please cite the specific reference in US vs Wong Kim Ark. Everyhing I have read on it refers only to "citizen" says absolutely NOTHING about "natural born citizen". Again please cite specific paragraph if u are going to wildly assert this case as your "proof"

For those who were asking which specific section specifies Natural Born Citizen ...

Under requirements for the president.. Article II Section 1. Para 5 reads
"No person except a natural born Citizen ... "

1) Barack Obama is a US citizen and legal President.

2) Ahmadinejad is the legitimate winner of the presidential election.

Does anyone see a parallel in these statements ????

Yes your putting the puzzle together and it is all falling into place! The Anerican people may open their eyes!

God help America! When Israel sinned God aallowed evil kings to rule over them. How else could obamma be where he is if not by God? America really needs to repent NOW. We have obviously lost God's favor because of our great wickedness in casting His name far from us.

just be ready...it's all we can do at this point.

We must do more than "just be ready". We must do more than sit and wait for others to decide our fate and the fate our our Nation. We have a Constitution! We must act and demand that our Constitution be honored by our elected public servants.

It was God's will that our Founding Father's succeeded in creating our nation by wresting themselves from the grasp of tyranny to forge a free freedom for themselves and future generations of Americans with our Constitution. However freedom isn't free; it is now up to us to keep it.

We would be wise to heed the words of Dr. Benjamin Franklin, as another Dr. has recently reminded us.

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"Our nation, divinely blessed, has much to be thankful for. The blessings of liberty resulting from the republic our forefathers designed have far surpassed the wildest dreams of all previous generations.

The form of government secured by the Declaration of Independence, the American Revolution, and the Constitution is unique in history and reflects the strongly held beliefs of the American Revolutionaries.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin." 1.

Congressman Dr. R. Paul, MD

1. Excerpt: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2000/cr020200.htm

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