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KTBB's Question of the Day: Is There Enough Proof President Obama is a U.S. citizen?

POSTED: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 8:12am

UPDATED: Monday, December 2, 2013 - 10:59am

UNDATED—The editor of the popular Web site, World Net Daily, Joseph Farah, is offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who can prove they were present at the birth of President Barack Obama.

KTBB news anchor Garth Maier, asks East Texans if they think there is a lack of proof that the President was born in Hawaii.

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This is for the comment about the mother being a US citizen. The constitution is actually vague about this issue and I quote "Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States,....."

One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.

A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.

Please be advised, while in general you are correct, you may have erred in attributing the phrase you quoted, as it is not in the Constitution "...or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.)"

U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

So what does 'natural born' mean?

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents (plural) who are citizens", as defined in Vattel's masterpiece of political philosophy 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212, and instrumental to the Founding Fathers, who deemed it unnecessary to define in the Constitution, as it was already understood.

This is supported by the personal writings of the Founding Fathers, the 1st & 3rd Congressional record, and case law.
See the detailed history and facts here.
[url]http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm[/url]

Obama's Kenyan father precludes Obama from being natural born. Therefore Obama is not eligible under the Constitution and is an illegal usurper!

Apparently the deal is that mothers need to be 18 or older to confer citizenship upon their children in cases like these. His was 17.

Mr. Obama has no right to sit as the President, as far as i am concerned, he's not! Most in Washington know the truth, they did not do their job and now they have to keep the cover up going. Both sides are at fault, so it is time to clean house!
The reason they are covering up this fact, war will break out on our streets, i can think of no better reason to fight this world wide lie he has pulled off! We have an enemy with in and he sits on the highest office in the world! No one has the guts to stand up in Washington, so WE THE PEOPLE WILL!!!!

Agree. The truth will out sooner or later. As we have domestic enemies that we must confront. We may as well do it sooner than later. Obviously, our elected reps have egg on their face and that takes priority over defending our country from a usurper.

How is that this man is exempt from or above the laws put in place to guarantee that every American prove his or her citizenship for certain privileges? You cannot get a drivers license, social security card - even a replacement social security without your full, certified birth certificate! It is ridiculous that anyone who sees how much time and money has been expended to prevent the release of his records could defend the man. Give it up!

Bla Bla Obama and the Bla Bla Obama operatives including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC will not step forward with the truth.

http://www.BlaBlaObama.com

Many thanks, KETK, for reinforcing the commonly held belief in other parts of the nation that Texas is, indeed, a backwards state.

Mr. Marley, Texans care not a whit about the jealousy-driven opinions of those who reside in lesser states. Have you anything on-subject to bring to the discussion we are having due to KETK having provided this forum?

This issue is not confined to Texas. A usurper posing as president is a grave national security threat that concerns every American. Most people regard Texas as being very loyal American who can always be counted on to do the right thing, and the very last state to mess with for even littering, let alone violating the Constitution.

Every person in the military and every elected politician swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. When you support the troops, you are supporting the Constitution. When elected officials violate the Constitution, they are dishonoring America, the Constitution, the military and their boss who hired them and has the duty to fire them, that's you!

God bless Texas, we need more people like you who understand that freedom, liberty and the very existence of America is dependent on honoring the U.S. Constitution.

This issue goes beyond the search for a real birth certificate. It also involves the records he is hiding from college and his passport information. How did Obama finance his education...how did he travel to Pakistan in 1981 when US passports were accepted there? Obama has been spending a lot of campaign money he collected from dubious sources to hire law firms that are using every possible avenue to block any release of his documents. Why?

Mobley, only one problem with that, if he was born in Kenya, as some allege, and his mother was a minor at the time, then she would have been too young to confer American citizenship to Obama.

Therefore, if Obama's father, Barack Obama Sr., was a Kenyan citizen, he would have been subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, and would have passed British citizenship along to Obama.

It's all quite simple. All he has to do is release his long form birth certificate, you know, the one showing the hospital of birth and attending physician's name and signature. When he does that, then there will be nothing more to discuss.

There might still be one minor problem, the U.S. Constitution. Obama's Kenyan father precludes Obama from being natural born. Therefore Obama is not eligible under the Constitution and is an illegal usurper!

The definition of "natural born" is "res ipsa loquitur", "facts speak for themselves". Natural is based on Natural law, not by statute. There is no court ruling on natural born because it is under natural law. No law or statute is required to define a natural state.

Steve Mobley, You sir need to brush up on the founding documents and founders. America was founded upon English common-law, which is still in force today. In order to be natural born, if born abroad, both parents had to be a citizen of the US in order to be natural born. If born on American soil only "the FATHER" has to be a citizen. By drawing on the term so well known in English law, "Natural Born", the founders were recognizing the law of heredity, rather than territorial allegiamce. The framers were not men who used words by accident, they thought and argued every word. The intent of the founders was and is very clear to those who know the founding docs. The term was common understanding therefore no further definiton by the founders was needed. Being born with dual citizenship and possible foreign allegiances disqualifies Obama from not only being President but also Senator, Congressman and even Governor.

You draw the right conclusion but for the wrong reasons.

Being born abroad precludes one from being 'natural born', irrespective of the citizenship of either parent. If born on US soil, both parents (plural) must be US citizens.

Natural-born citizens, are "those born in the country, of parents who are citizens", as defined in Vattel's masterpiece of political philosophy 'The Law of Nations' (1758) § 212, and instrumental to the Founding Fathers, who deemed it unnecessary to define in the Constitution, as it was already understood.

O's father was a british citizen at the time of Obama's birth, therefore HE barack obama in no way can be a NATURAL BORN citizen, as required by the constitution. This is not a race issue this is strictly a constitutional issue. If anyone is willing to throw out our constitution then you don't deserve the freedoms it guarantees.We must above all else, protect and defend our constitution.
Obama is not my president or anyone elses...as he was not and still isn't eligible to be POTUS.

Uh, at the time Milhouse was born the laws on the books stated that at 17 the mother CANNOT transfer U.S. citizenship to the baby. Also his father was a citizen of a different country and if Obama WAS born on foreign soil
he would NOT be a "Natural Born" of this country.

Now we the citizens of this country (USA) want to SEE his documentation to make the determination whether or not he should sit in the Oval Office.

If you do research you will see that you may be accurate but you WRONG!!

he has to be a natural born citizen to be president -so even if he was born in the us -he would still not be eligible to be president both parents must be US citizens -I believe he has not shown his long form birth certificate - the left is hoping we will all just put our heads in the sand and let him be president even though he is a fraud -all he has to do is produce an authentic long form birth certificate - that would tell the hospital and the doctor -It would have to be inspected by a few specialist- I believe he does not have a long form -I believe his grandmother did witness him being born in kenya

It is the Right and DUTY for Congress and ALL other Americans to DEFY and Ignore his every Mandate, Proposals and so called Requests until he proves eligibility by coming clean with ALL DOCUMENTS. It is ILLEGAL obey an UNLAWFUL ORDER and every mandate, Proposals etc is ILLEGAL. Whats more all those defending him and keeping his records hidden are committing TREASON. Everyone of them should be prosecuted PUBLICLY this will set an example to ALL OTHERS that would try this. There is a price that will be paid by those TREASONOUS OUTLAWS and mandate that ALL taxpayers money that OBUMMA Stole from us to be paid back to us IN FULL PLUS INTEREST. Make no mistake ALL supporting OBUMMA is committing TREASON.
For details please goto

www.wnd.com and

www.obamacrimes.com

Thanks....

BO is a liar-in-chief. It's unbelievable that he wasn't fully vetted and not exposed for what he is---a pathological, narcissistic, egotistical liar.

He is no president. He and his wife should be run out of DC, and he can go back to Kenya. His lies, all of them, sicken me.

If lies sicken you, then you should stop telling them.

Barack Hussein's dual citizenship with the Britain and the United States disqualifies him from serving as President of the United States according to the Constitution and the our Founding Fathers. (Kenya was a commonwealth at the time of Obama's birth.) The question is not whether he is a citizen. The requirement in question is "No person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN...shall be eligible to the office of President." Obama's father was Kenyan and his mother was to young to confer citizenship at the time of birth according to the federal laws. Holding true to the importance of being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN why did Democrats hold hearings on McCain's eligibility ridiculing him being born in the Panama Canal Zone? The conclusion of that hearing is that McCain is a natural born citizen because both his parents were US citizens and the birth occurred in a US possession.

So, the bottom line we have to ask our selves is do we follow the constitution or do we allow despotism creep upon our shores?

I affirm we follow the constitution and keep our freedoms.

If O is a legitimate US citizen, then why did he apply for & receive financial aid as a citizen of Indonesia when he was in college?

You don't hire a team of lawyers, as O did, to deal with a problem that doesn't exist...

i too have heard that o received aid for his education in indonesia and that the aid came from a muslim whose citizenship was indonesian. but i do not know where that story begins or ends. do you have a link to the story?

Obama's mother had to have been in the US for 5 years since her 14th birthday...to convey natural born status to Obama if he was born out of the country because of her status, and she did not meet this criteria. Since he was likely born out of the country (since he does not provide his long form birth certificate), he is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to be president. He is a fraud!!

Steve-

After all this time you still don't understand that a Natural Born Citizen is different from a citizen and requires 2 CITIZEN PARENTS. You are either purposefully scamming or you are just plain stupid. Read Donofrio and get a clue.

Obama must not be a natural born citizen, otherwise these valid questions would have been resolved by him long ago by simply releasing his long form birth certificate. Obama must be unqualified to be president. There is no other reasonable explanation.

It's a fact the moron's mother is, and was then, a US citizen when Obomber was born. Legally, it does not matter where he was hatched. If his mother was a US citizen, he is a US citizen. Stop wasting your time looking any further as, unfortunately, it simply does not matter where the hell he was born. He is a citizen by birth by virtue of his mother's citizenship. READ OUR NATIONS FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT I HAVE POSTED IS ACCURATE.

Among Berg's arguments is that if Obama was born in Kenya, U.S. Immigration law in effect in 1961 barred Obama from U.S. citizenship at birth because his father was a Kenyan citizen and his mother, although a U.S. citizen, was not a resident of the U.S. for at least FIVE years following her 14th birthday. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth, and thereby barred - by U.S. Immigration law - from passing U.S. citizenship to her child Obama -- even though she was a U.S. citizen.
It is important to also look at the work Philip Berg has put into Obamas citizenship. In one of his cases he looks at his mothers citizenship and the circumstances that surround her as well. Check out obamacrimes for yourself. He has spent 11 months working on his citizenship, plus Philip Berg is a democrat. Obama has paid money to keep his records sealed and out of the public eye, why? Because thier is much more corruption in what he has done, not simply to cover up his birth.

The proof that Obama is not a US citizen is in his direct route of attempting to destroy the USA. He has taken private business and turned it into goverment run business. He is socializing our country. We are now going to pay our mortgages twice. We are a country without money yet he is paying for abortions in our country and the world. He has filled his cabinet with pro aborts a completely prodeath camp. We have succomed to seeing babies killed every day a numbing of our concious. He has increased war in other parts of the world totaly without ridicule. And he sits back and calls himself a superstar, he is a disgusting man. We see the firing of Inspector General to simply protect the President. Our president thinks nothing of us as persons, we are only a means for him to gain greater and greater power. Thier is more to this than just his place of birth, it is the covering of a whole history, a covering of what he is doing to america.

You are wrong. The law in effect at the time stated American citizens living overseas, married to non citizens, MUST have lived in the USA CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years from the age of 14 to convey citizenship AUTOMATICALLY to offspring. Obama's mother had NOT lived continuously in the USA for 5 years from age 14 to the time he was born. She was 18 when he was born.

What had to be done IF in fact he was born in Kenya: Parents upon re-entering the USA with the child MUST file a form with the State Dept stating the child was born out of the USA to a USA citizen NOT meeting the residency requirements. Upon proof of the Mother's citizenship, the child is processed through immigration and is declared a US citizen. This was never done. Even though many have searched and searched for this document, it has never been found.

In addition, Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1980. As a US citizen, you were NOT allowed to enter Pakistan in 1980 on a US passport. He entered Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship, so he had to be a citizen of Indonesia to hold an Indonesian passport. To regain US citizenship, you MUST file another document with the US State Dept and again process through immigration. There is no record of this every being done.

Actually it does matter as his Dad was not an American and if he was born on foreign soil then he is not a natural born American.
One must be, according to the founding documents, a natural born American citizen.
By the way, why spend a million dollars to prevent the viewing of his real birth certificate and college records? That is enough to cause substantial doubt.

Sorry but you are wrong in your statemeent. The laws at the time say
that a person born of at least one American parent of majority age for at
least 5 years would automatically be given citizenship. Obama's mother
was only 18 at the time and so citizenship would not legally be
conferred upon him by her status. So, since his father was not an
American and his mother was not 5 years an adult, if he was indeed
born in Kenya he would not be automatically a US citizen.
Questions also remain as to how he travelled to Pakistan after his
college graduation (mentioned by him numerous times while campaigning)
when at the time US citizens were not allowed to go there. Speculation
is that his passport was not a US one.
If he just releases the actual long form birth cert which lists the
doctors, hospital, etc, instead of the short cert of birth which can be
attained by anyone who comes to Hawaii with just personally provided
info, this would all be solved. Why not just do that ???

Actually, his mother was 18 at the time of his birth. According to the Constitution, she would have had to have been in the United States for at least 5 years over the age of 16. That means, she would have to have been 21 years of age and have lived in the US for 5 years when she gave birth to Obama in order for HIM to be a natural-born citizen.

You seriously need to do better research before posting.

#1 O's mother did NOT meet legal requirements to pass citizenship to her son IF she gave birth outside the US.

#2 He admits his father was Kenyan, which if O was born in Hawaii would still make him a dual citizen of the US and UK at birth. The ideal behind "natural born" is to have no other allegiance than that to the US.

#3 He was adopted by an Indonesian and lived there most of his childhood, and would have been declared a citizen of that country and losing his US citizenship which would then require he go through the naturalization process to "re-establish" his US citizenship = complete violation of the "natural born" clause of the US Constitution.

Sorry Steve you're wrong on that. Obama's mother being a US citizen does not confer it to him if he was born outside of the US or not on a US military installation like McCain was in Panama. Think of it this was, if what you are saying is true then all those children born of illegal mexican immigrants in the US (so-called anchor babies) would still be considered mexican nationals.
The NYT tried to get McCain's run for the presidency squashed by claiming he wasn't eligible because he was born in Panama on a naval base. His mother was a US citizen and the NYT weren't following your rules of citizenship when they did those hit pieces on him. Get it right dude.

before you shoot your mouth off about the mom being a 'citizen'
you need to get your facts right
the mom was not OLD enough to pass along her citizenship
nor did she live in the states long enought to do so

You need to read the laws. Mother did not reside in the US for time required (prior to his hatching) to confer citizenship.

Mobley is an Obot. Pls cite your exact reference; the Constitution says NOTHING about what defines a natural born citizen but 250 years of precedent shows there has only been one US president prior to Obama that did not have two US citizen parents (O admits his father was a British citizen) and Chester Arthur too lied about his birth record

Under 1961 laws, Barack's mother was too young at the time to convey citizenship to her son. She had to have lived in the U.S. for five years after turning age 16 in order to do so. Given that she gave birth to Obama when she was 18, she cannot convey natural born citizenship to him. He certainly cannot have received it from his father - a Kenyan. Therefore, Obama must have been born on U.S. soil to qualify.

The Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB) on the fightthesmears.com website was given to individuals born outside the U.S. in the 1960's - without their having been born in the U.S., which is why the call to see his LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE is being made. Without the LONG FORM birth certificate, the one showing the actual hospital and name of the doctor who performed at the birth, there is no proof of citizenship.

The questions are manifold: why hasn't he simply released the LONG FORM certificate? Does he even have one? Why has he employed a team of lawyers to prevent anyone from seeing the LONG FORM certificate (if there is one)? Why was he able to travel to Indonesia, if, in fact, he was a U.S. citizen at the time (U.S. citizens were not allowed into Indonesia when Obama visited the country. How'd he get in?)? Where are his school records - ones which could show whether he received aid for foreign-born students? WHY WON'T THIS MAN LET US SEE HIS PAST?

steve,
there are different constitutional definitions of citizen. to be POTUS, one must be a 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN...BY DEFINITION, this is only possible if BOTH parents are US citizens AND you are born of this soil.
and it is not possible for Obama to be "NATURAL BORN" , BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN AT THE TIME OF BARACK OBAMA'S BIRTH.Point blank, cut and dry, no if's ,and's, or butt's about it.
sorry for all you people who just don't read whats written in the constitution....get an education.

Well, where you were born DOES matter, that's why the place of John McCain's birth was investigated. Both of John McCain's parents were American citizens and his father was an admiral in the US Navy but somehow the topic of his birthplace was raised.

Also, with regard to Mr. Obabma's citizenship, his mother was not yet 18 when he was 'hatched'. The law at the time did not automatically confer to the child of an underage woman ... not to mention his father's British citizenship may have made him a subject of Britain.

So, I would suggest that my friend should keep reading those documents.

There are natural born citizens and citizens. Read the founding fathers documents again you are referring to and note the president has be "natural born" to be eligible unless he was born before a certain date. No where else is the term "natural born" used as a requirement to hold an office in government. Yes, being born to a US citizen may give citizenship to a child but it doesn't give natural born status unless both citizens are US citizens.

There are also questions about his time he spent in Indonesia that has never been resolved. If BO has nothing to hide, he would release the records and clear this up once and for all instead of encouraging all the conspiracy talk and spending a lot of money on lawyers. And for the posting of his COLB on the internet, read the fine print of the document. Any alteration voids it! It is not presented in it's entirety, provided it is real.

Steve - you could not be more wrong, as a dual citizen whos kids were born outside the US, In order for my kides to be eligable I had to have lived in the US for at least 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 18. As Mr obama's own memoirs say his monther was 17 at his time of birth, it is impossible for here to have lived in the US for 5 years after the age of 18, therefore meaning she cannot passon natural born citizenship.

Steve, regarding your comments.

Unfortunately his(B)'s) mother could not convey her citizenship secondary to the fact she was only 18 yrs of age.

I believe congress had required that a person be over 22 years of age to be able to convey citizenship.

So? BO why hide. Simply submit.

Uh, at the time Milhouse was born the laws on the books stated that at 17 the mother CANNOT transfer U.S. citizenship to the baby. Also his father was a citizen of a different country and if Obama WAS born on foreign soil
he would NOT be a "Natural Born" of this country.

Now we the citizens of this country (USA) want to SEE his documentation to make the determination whether or not he should sit in the Oval Office.

If you do research you will see that you may be accurate but you WRONG!!

Uh, at the time Milhouse was born the laws on the books stated that at 17 the mother CANNOT transfer U.S. citizenship to the baby. Also his father was a citizen of a different country and if Obama WAS born on foreign soil
he would NOT be a "Natural Born" of this country.

Now we the citizens of this country (USA) want to SEE his documentation to make the determination whether or not he should sit in the Oval Office.

If you do research you will see that you may be accurate but you WRONG!!

Obama's mother was 18 years old at the time or his birth. To confer citizenship upon a child born overseas requires that the she be '5 years over the age of 14' according to the law in force at the time. She was not legally able to confer citizenship.

this might be why he is pushing his agenda so quickly, whatever he is hiding will be exposed eventually...

Even worse than being a foriegn national is the fact that he is a globalist! His words are sweet, but his actions are deceptive!
Bigger than this is the devide that is growing in our United States because he is destroying ALL trust in our leaders along with redistribution of wealth and cap and trade he will destroy our sovergnty and we will be under Muslem Sherial law if the UN gets it's way!
Sombody in a secret society put this puppet there and history will prove it! Look at the people who got him there ACORN, now Community Organization International! They registered DEAD people! His church? another scandal! His actions (Firing inspector Generals- the watchdogs)Bad mouthing USA in middle East, His silence on IRAN! on and on!
Congress IS just as Guilty as the Media!

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