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How about trade, instead of college?

How about trade, instead of college?

POSTED: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 6:55pm

UPDATED: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 2:38pm

During the last few years of the repression, we have had this as a topic of conversation in the newsroom many times, especially when so many young adults hit the real world with too much college debt learning.....what?

I mean really, don't get me wrong. I'm not down on educations.

My folks were both teachers at one time in their lives and I am a college grad myself, but when i walked across that stage and onto the covered wagon for the ride home, I had no debt at all.

That allowed me a little more wiggle room until I found something I really wanted to do.

Ross Ramsey writes in the Texas Tribune many folks now are coming around to my way of thinking.

In today's Texas Tribune, Texas voters are supportive of some potentially major changes in public education, from providing incentives to people who want to be teachers to allowing more local control over standards and curriculum, according to the University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll.

Meanwhile, fewer of them are convinced that a college degree is a necessity. Only 28 percent said a college education is necessary for a person to succeed in today's work world, while 68 percent said, "there are many ways to succeed without a college degree." That's a big change from the UT/TT Poll of May 2010, when 42 percent called college necessary and 56 percent said there are other paths to success.

Let's face it. The world has changes a lot in the last 10 years. Some will always need a college degree and the price tag that comes along with it, others not so.

To me, if I had a son, the most wonderful sentence I could hear would be "Daddy, I want to weld." We could get that going for a reasonable price at one of our fine junior colleges around here.

That's my point of view, what's yours?

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Border Patrol and immigration employees quit in disgust of their own government. Meanwhile VP ' Slow Joe' Biden hints some of them will get citizenship... causing tens of thousands of them to mass along the border.

Hope for change in 2014. Can't vote Obama out, so vote Dems out in protest.

Where do you get all of these lies from deaf...LOL And now Rick illegal immigrant lover, I will veto any legislation that mandates E-Verify, come to Texas illegal immigrants and attend Tx colleges at in-state tuition rate perry is trying to keep illegals out of Tx after he invited them here? What an idiot all of you GOP T-party idiots support. Why hasn't Greg illegal immigrant lover Abbott enforced current on Tx businesses that hire illegals? Hope for change 2014 vote the GOTP out of office

Friends --

Let me be clear:

Republicans blocked student loan reform last week because they didn’t want to close tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires.

Deaf Smith June 11, 2014
at 3:26pm
But don.. who is my neighbor?
Luke 10:25-37
See, not everyone is your neighbor.
You are correct deaf that not everyone acts as ones neighbor but it is for a FACT that those hypocrites in the GOTP are nobodys neighbor for their money and possessions are more important than their neighbors and you support and encourage their views and beliefs. I see a very HOT future for you deaf

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Deaf, I am your neighbor and all of you who turn your back on sinners although you are hypocrites. Are you my neighbor deaf?

Many (maybe all?) European countries have had dual option high schools for many years (maybe since the first sin.) Tradesmen and skilled workers are highly respected in most countries over there (maybe the snobbish English excepted..) In France, even the "lowly" server (waiter, waitress) is a respectable career.

Only one problem with trades, the illegals have taken them over. Just go to a construction site and take a look for yourself.

Better watch the last Texas governors debate where your governor tea party backed rick illegal immigrant lover perry said that he would veto any legislation that mandated anyone to use the E-Verify system.

As long as the teachers unions and the federal government do not take over the trade schools it will be fine.

But once they do expect them to dumb down the curriculum while overcharging the students while making fancy campuses and cushie offices for themselves (and mountains of paperwork, paperwork they won't lose like the IRS loses emails.)

TVCC offers welding in Athens and Palestine. TSTC in Waco and Marshall both have welding, drafting, and pre engineering programs. There are real opportunities out there with accredited community colleges in the area. I went to school half time while I worked. It paid off. I earned an AS from TVCC at age 33. I graduated Cum Laude , with a BAAS from UT Tyler at age 50. Anyone young or old CAN improve their earning potential with enough determination and effort. I did.

"Daddy, I want to weld." We could get that going for a reasonable price at one of our fine junior colleges around here.???????????
Why go pay the high price of a junior college neal, in the 70's, in Jacksonville a student could leave high school as a certified welder. They also had a building trades class where they could become a licensed/certified plumber, electrician, and a journeyman carpenter. They also had a class where a high schools student could be a licensed/certified auto mechanic

Jacksonville High School also had a Cosmetology class where the student could become a licensed Cosmetologist upon leaving high why don't public schools still offer these classes neal?

Because the laws were changed by George W. as governor to shift these classes to Junior and Community colleges so they could make more money.

That's a good point Don. I was in the metal trades program at Palestine High School in the early 80's. The welding, and machinist skills I learned there kept me employed for 20 years. Going back to college for a drafting degree and management degree just added to the technical skills I learned in high school. Schools should start teaching vocational ed again. Last time I looked knowing how to pass a test didn't pay anything.

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