Neal Barton's POV

Say no to Jesus

Say no to Jesus
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POSTED: Friday, July 16, 2010 - 5:41pm

UPDATED: Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 1:08pm

We'll end this week on the most outrageous thing i have ever seen.

Back when I was a kid in Sunday school, they use to tell us one day this would happen and as always they were right.

True story.

A North Carolina pastor was relieved of his duties as an honorary chaplain of the North Carolina state House of Representatives after he closed a prayer by invoking the name of Jesus.

The pastor, whose name is Ron Baity, says he "got fired."

The pastor of a baptist Church in Winston-Salem says He had been invited to lead prayer for an entire week.

Baity's troubles began in late May.

He said a House clerk asked to see his prayer before he read it.

The invocation including prayers for our military, state lawmakers and a petition to God asking him to bless North Carolina.

He says, "When I handed it to the lady, I watched her eyes and they immediately went right to the bottom of the page and the word Jesus," he told FOX News Radio.

"She said, 'We would prefer that you not use the name Jesus. We have some people here that can be offended.'"

When Baity protested, she brought the matter to the attention of House Speaker Joe Hackney.

"I told her I was highly offended when she asked me not to pray in the name of Jesus because that does constitute my faith," Baity said. "My faith requires that I pray in His name. The Bible is very clear."

When the clerk returned, Baity said he was told that he would be allowed to deliver the day's prayer - but after that - his services would no longer be needed.
 

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You should read the first Treaty(Article 11)between the United States of America and the Bey and subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, passed by the 5th U.S. Congress of 1796 & signed January 3 1797. Art. 11. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". This was written & approved by many of our founding Fathers.

Now you ramble up that tired Article 11 treaty argument? Let’s see, Muslim fanatics, whose religion you would equate to Christianity,are running Amok robbing, killing, holding for ransom US ships and innocent Christian non-combatants. Up steps deluded American President (Adams in Obama thinking mode) to retrieve the hostages, tries to placate Miscreant Muslims, by offering to TREATY them and their religion as equals, ends up with broken promises, broken treaty, no hostages, and more war. DEJA VU

You say all of this but it still does not change what was written by the founding fathers in 1796 of the 5th U.S. Congress, nor does it change the meaning of what was stated in the document. That is FACT no matter how much you do not like it, it is still what was thought and written by the founders of this nation.

This is what happens when Good Christian men abandon their Christian Truths for Expediency. Problem only solved when Marines like Episcopalian Stephen Decatur stormed the Shores of Tripoli. Don and Obama take note

I never said that this treaty was a good treaty but again the fact still remains weather you like it or not, that the text and content of Article 11 that was written by the founding fathers states that this is not a Christian Nation.FACT
It does not matter if you like or dislike the fact that the U.S. Constitution does not mention God, Jesus Bible or Christianity, that is also a FACT. This country was founded on the principle that anyone could practice any faith or no faith without persecution.

Worshiping at the alter of a God-government who would silence the ability for freedom loving Americans to speak the Name of Jesus in school, government offices, or display a nativity scene in a public forum is not allowing people to practice faith without prosecution. DO you not see that GOD-Government is the new religious monopoly. It is the worship of MAN they would edify. We all know where that leads us. At least Jesus only wanted a 10% Tithe.Rumplestilskin Obama wants your unborn child.

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion

Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.

Don you are getting redundant, Since your eyes are used to looking down not up for the correct information, look below to your reduntant question for correct answers which will no be found in DEM Daily talking points.

What I have posted was not found in any political party publication but through reading the U.S. Constitution and researching the library of congress archives. you should try using non political resources yourself for the correct answers.

For once in your life look above not below for your answer. The article we are discussing is titled " SAY NO TO JESUS " If you still cannot understand the Veritas in the discussion, try doing what Christians do everyday. Take a leap of faith.

To EiceBleu -- The First Amendment to the Constitution says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;. . .." It does not say the government can't favor one religion over another. It simply says no LAW may be made establishing a national religion or prohibiting the free exercise of ANY religion. In my opinion, if there is a violation of rights here, it is the violation of the pastor's right to freely exercise his religion.

I'll one up you. A Catholic priest was banned from using Christ's name during a voluntary Christian serve on board an aircraft carrier on separation of church and state grounds.
Christians are banned by separation while not protected free religion. Others are not banned by separation and protected free religion. Poke fun and belittle Christians, by others are intolerance or racism. Just more double standards by political correctness.

We are not a Theocracy. The establishment clause is clear on that. Gov't can't favor one religion over another, and recognizing one means you have to recognize them all--Even the rare and/or completely silly ones like the FSM [if you don't know what that is, you don't belong on the internet]. And, of course, since it's IMPOSSIBLE to recognize or favor all 6,000 plus religions, you can't favor ANY of them. It's the only neutral option.

E PLURIBUS UNUM

Okay, call me naive, FSM may be a common place idiom in your group, but it isn't common place with those I know. Maybe because they have too much character.

It is the UNITING Founding Christian Principles that we are ALL endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights, which validate your uniting E PLURIBUS UNUM ( Out of Many, One ). The secular Liberal mind would distort this value by proposing the DISUNITING proposition that your inalienable rights come from any God-man drug conceived FSM Spaghetti Head. Your E PLURIBUS UNUM, becomes UNUM, E PLURIBUS, i.e. (Just one out of many). This is the way this country is headed.

“Separation of Church and State” But it's nowhere in the Constitution. It' origin is a letter Jefferson wrote 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, 13-14 years after it was written. His concept was that the 1st amendment created a wall of separation between Church/State in that Congress could not make laws in respect of establishing a religion, or impeding the free exercise of religion,,to protect Church from State not vice versa. Denying Jesus Free Speech/equal protection is the Theocracy of God-Gov't.

Article VI, section 3, U.S. Constitution states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

They ratified the first 10 ammendments Decmber 15,1791 AD (anno Domini) which means the year of our Lord JESUS. Read the Preamble to the Articles of Confederation which is what was the First Constitution of the United States:
PREAMBLE: Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America.Year of our LORD JESUS

Except they swore on a CHRISTIAN BIBLE and said "SO HELP ME GOD " not Allah. You won't hear this in the Dem talking points.

Darkness can't exist in the presence of the Light of Truth. This is why Libs must drive out the light from our halls of Justice or they and their deceptive Unjust Untruths will fade away in truth’s presence,as the night fades before the dawn. In their righteous politically correct double-speak,they proclaim that all Gods are created equal. But their words and deeds reveal their true argument, that it is the God of SELF they worship,,, A God who in their own eyes can do no wrong.Remember/November

It is obvious that these people no longer believe in the inerrant Scriptures of God's Word. "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven, But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Matthew 10:32-33

If these people have a problem with Jesus, then He has a problem with them. I believe that I will go with Jesus on this one.

Let them be offended. So what! Cowards!!!

Like I said, not every elected official is a Christian just like every citizen is not Christian so, NO they would not believe in the inerrant Scriptures of God's Word. "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven, But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Matthew 10:32-33 & they do not care if Jesus has a problem with them.

Jesus has a problem with men who sow the weeds/tares of deception among the wheat of society that choke off the truth. Yes Don, God does allow the rain to fall upon the Wheat and the Tares, but come harvest time the tares are gathered into the fire and the wheat is gathered into the barn. The Wheat is that nasty inconvenient inherent truth thing you would drive away from the debate. Mathew 13: 25-30.Since you obviously can walk on water, ever moon-walk on the lake of fire?

Would any of you been offended if the religious leader giving prayer invoked the name of Allah? We do have elected officials in this country who do not believe in the Christian faith but do in some other faith & some in no faith at all. We are a Nation of many different religions as set up by our founding Fathers.

You have an excellent point and yes many would be offended by such a prayer.However the man chosen to pray over the N. Carolina legislative meeting is a Christian minister. The Christian Bible requires him to pray in the name of Jesus if he expects his petition to be heard. Otherwise there is no point to his prayer. If the legislature perfers a that Jesus will not hear or answer then perhaps another prayer giver would be more appropriate. Maybe a Muslem or Buddist. This is a Chritian nation.

Where in the Constitution does it say that this is a Christian Nation? If I knew you I would bet you a thousand dollars or more that you could not point out anywhere in the U.S. Constitution that it states this is a Christian Nation.

53 of the 57 signers of the Declaration were Christians! Thomas Jefferson...said, "The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart." The Christians Founders conceived of a nation of Christians, and the purpose of the First Amendment was merely to ensure that no single CHRISTIAN denomination be elevated to the role of state church. Like England. That Does not mean Muslim or FSM Spaghetti Heads.

The separation-of-powers notion is rooted in the Founding Fathers’ clear Christian understanding of the sinfulness of man, so that it was not safe for one person to exercise unlimited power. Thomas Jefferson: The two enemies of the People are criminals and Government. So let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution, so the second will not become the legal version of the first. Obama/Pelosi take note!

James Madison: But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a Gov't which is to be administered by men over men,the great difficulty lies in this:you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. Obama/Pelosi Gone Wild!

With having you say all of that, you still did not state where in the Constitution it states that the U.S. is a Christian Nation. You should read the first Treaty (Article 11) between the United States of America and the Bey and subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, passed by the 5th U.S. Congress of 1796 & signed January 3 1797. Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. This was written & approved by many of our found Fathes.

Now you ramble up that tired Article 11 treaty argument? Let’s see, Muslim fanatics, whose religion you would equate to Christianity,are running Amok robbing, killing, holding for ransom US ships and innocent Christian non-combatants. Up steps deluded American President (Adams in Obama thinking mode) to retrieve the hostages, tries to placate Miscreant Muslims, by offering to TREATY them and their religion as equals, ends up with broken promises, broken treaty, no hostages, and more war. DEJA VU

Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.

If it looks like a Christian, walks like a Christian, talks like a Christian, is written by Christians, succeeds like Christianity,,,,IT'S CHRISTIAN. Apparently they didn’t spell it out for people who only believe what they see in print i.e. Liberal Democratic talking points and Comic Books. Being good Christians they, like Christ spoke in Parables lest the fools understand turn from their ways and be saved.

Mathew 13: 13-15 "Therefore speak I to them in parables; because seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. Fulfilled is the prophecy of Isaiah, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall in no wise understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall in no wise perceive,,,And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest haply they should perceive with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, turn again and I should heal them.

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion

The CHRISTIAN FOUNDERS did not for one minute, like you, confuse being a Christian with being Religious. Religion binds men together and ties them down, where being Christian binds us one on one in a personal, not collective, relationship with God who frees us up. There is an eternity of difference between a Religion and a Relationship. Where Religion kills, Christ brings life. Jesus did not come to say I bring you a Religion, but I came to give you life,,,through Truth which sets men free.

Yes Don, When the Constitution was written it was based on the various State Constitutions, 6 of which Colonies/Constitutions were founded/written by 6 different particular CHRISTIAN Sects, which they needed put together in CHRISTIAN unity, following CHRIST's example. The example in England involved CHRISTIAN Henry the 8th type Anglican CHRISTIANS oppressing the Catholic CHRISTIANS and every other CHRISTIAN denomination. CHRISTIAN, CHRISTIAN, CHRISTIAN. Get the message!

Your actions and words of hate or discontent for others is very un Christian acts. I will be praying for you brother.....just too much hate in your heart.

Praying to that impotent God-Government you worship would be a waste of your breath. Like your manipulative Liberal leaders who when those inconvenient biblical truths get in your way, Truth suddenly becomes hate. Sorry, but truth sometimes is Ugly and hateful but it is still the truth. You may scare off the guilt-ridden Christian sheep with such tactics but not Christians of the Warrior class,,,Warriors for truth.

Just remember it is un-Christian to attempt to force the teachings of Jesus Christ on anyone. Someone forced to adhear to those valuse will never receive the Kingdom of Heaven. Free will to have faith in what Jesus did at the cross is the only way anyone will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Your job as a Christian is to witness to others how Jesus has changed your life and extend an inventation to the Christian way of life and to not judge them if they refuse. Free will to accept & have faith!!!!

Secular God-Gov’t worshippers have no idea what the job of a Christian is. The job of a Christian is to witness what Jesus brought to the Earth which is Truth. Neither He nor I would force anybody to receive anything but the truth, but he required us to speak it, as he did, ugly as it sometimes is, and let the cards fall where they are. God indeed gave us free will, and it’s the free will thing that both secularists and uninformed Christians alike continually abuse. Ergo the need for truth.

He also never said just “Judge Not “He told us “Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged” and instructed us to love ourselves and our neighbor enough to remove the beam from our eyes so that through his truths we could remove the spec from our neighbors. The Christian forefathers tried to setup a political forum to accomplish just that, through Constitutional Checks and balances which Obama, Pelosi and the Liberal Dems spit on through their deeds, Jesus said you will know them by their fruit/deeds.

Again, When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention relig

No single CHRISTIAN religion could dominate is what they had in mind. See above. For Non-believers, Non-believing is their religion. It is the religion on Non-believing that you propose to make dominate, and when you finally take over as the non-believing Communist in Russia did. You would re-write the Constitution whose tenants you ignore, and we would have no Christian based Constitution. This is the conundrum of allowing people of unequal life values equal rights

Who and what you turn to in times of trouble defines who and what you really worship. Lib secularists would have us worship a God-Gov't nation from whom all blessings MUST flow or else, especially basic necessities of life (buy our MED Insurance or we tax you, God won’t provide, so come to us for your free lunches and food stamps) populated by people with no concept of Self-government,which begins with the governing of SELF. Control the Necessities and you Control the People. This is NOT Freedom

Not according to the Marxist Muslim, Obamao.

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