Smith County J.P. Precinct Four Debate Continues

POSTED: Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 4:34pm
UPDATED: Thursday, April 8, 2010 - 4:22am
SMITH COUNTY - Both sides of the Smith County alcohol debate have been going back and forth for weeks now., but starting tomorrow, early voting finally begins.
Before you survey arguments on either side, it's important to look at what they're fighting for.
1) Whether or not to allow alcohol to be consumed off-premise. Meaning you could buy alcohol in J.P. Precinct Four and take it home.
2) Whether or not to allow drinking at restaurants in J.P. Precinct Four without having to buy a membership.
These two propositions have two groups all fired up.
Starting with the keep Precinct Four Dry Committee, who says they want to keep what they call the "sin industry" out of the county.
They say allowing alcohol to be sold in this area will not cut anyone's taxes and instead alcohol will be more accessible.
They say it will increase demand on law enforcement and degrade the community.
KETK spoke to Tyler attorney Ken Good who said he believes the alcohol could be detrimental to the county.
"Anytime you're in an economic downturn, those types of industries come in and poach and try to take advantage and we just got to turn them back," Mr. Good says.
Switching sides now to those in favor of the sale of alcohol.
The Smith County Citizens for Economic Growth is leading the effort.
Many leaders of this group are business owners in J.P. Precinct Four, and they say its about economics, convenience and customer choice.
"People are driving through here everyday going 30 miles to the other side of the line to buy a case of beer why not buy it right here and keep the tax money right here in Smith County?" Andy Osborne says.
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Whats so funny is that those who use the Bible as a reference as to why people shouldn't drink do not even know what they are talking about. I can show where it says in the BIBLE to 'give wine to those who are low is spirit and hard liquor to those who are dying so that they make drink and forget their cares' paraphrased there but the same meaning..Did Jesus also not make wine for the wedding in Cana out of water?..I can also show where it says that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out of him' that defiles him...Not paraphrased there.
I can also show where it says that you are not supposed to get drunk but that it is okay to have drinks...So when someone uses the BIBLE as a reference I ignore what they say because they don't say what it really says concerning alcohol..or smoking...or much of anything else. So please before you decide to speak and bring the bible into any argument read the bible first. I am a Baptist and a Marine Veteran of this great country.
I do agree it would bring in a lot of revenue and help create much needed jobs in the area...and keep a lot of people of the roads while drinking...Would be a great deal safer and cheaper to be able to go to the corner store and pick up a bottle of Jack or Crown Royal and take it straight home than to go to the bar, spend a great more money & then drive home after drinking, wouldn't you say?
Whats so funny is that those who use the Bible as a reference as to why people shouldn't drink do not even know what they are talking about. I can show where it says in the BIBLE to 'give wine to those who are low is spirit and hard liquor to those who are dying so that they make drink and forget their cares' paraphrased there but the same meaning..Did Jesus also not make wine for the wedding in Cana out of water?..I can also show where it says that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out of him' that defiles him...Not paraphrased there.
I can also show where it says that you are not supposed to get drunk but that it is okay to have drinks...So when someone uses the BIBLE as a reference I ignore what they say because they don't say what it really says concerning alcohol..or smoking...or much of anything else. So please before you decide to speak and bring the bible into any argument read the bible first. I am a Baptist and a Marine Veteran of this great country.
I do agree it would bring in a lot of revenue and help create much needed jobs in the area...and keep a lot of people of the roads while drinking...Would be a great deal safer and cheaper to be able to go to the corner store and pick up a bottle of Jack or Crown Royal and take it straight home than to go to the bar, spend a great more money & then drive home after drinking, wouldn't you say?
The way I see it, if people have more ready access to it, there will be more high schoolers drinking. Instead of them having to scrape together the money to pay for all the alcohol plus the gas it takes to get there for an older friend to purchase it, there WILL be less of them drinking than not. Think about it, most of them are minimum wagers, if its at their local Wal-mart, its much easier. Therefore, if they start drinking more (since they no do not have to waste it on expensive gas), or just simply start because of the more ready access then it will only get worse between generations. It is like the cell phones, they became more affordable and convenient now I see 3rd graders with them texting friends!
I might be young but I understand the difference between right and wrong....and alcohol is wrong! It benifits in no from or fashion it only destroies homes and lives. I have a close relative that drinks and i would rather him do it at a bar and not at home where im exposed to such sinful substances. People say that by making alcohol more available people will be less likely to abuse it...FALSE! This simply means innocent people will be exposed to it. If none of this has changed your mind then just picture a young girl curled up in the corner crying because her father has become "a stay at home drunk" instead of drinking at a bar where there are other adults to control the situation. More alcohol means more drinking, more drinking means more violence, more violence means more law inforcement, which means higher taxes. So you see there really is no need for this disaggrement.
Yes, child you are young and ignorant. Benefit to alcohol: one glass of wine a day helps your heart and can act as an antioxidant. Ask the MDA. Sinful:Jesus turned water into wine at the last supper. Would you tell HIM He was sinning? Drunks: Drink at home, in public and at bars. That's why they are called Drunks. Since alcohol can be purchased in many surrounding counties, a true drunk will simply drive 30 miles to purchase it, pop the top on the drive home, and run the risk of a DUI or worse, yet, killing some innocent person. I have had plenty of alcoholics in my family and whether they drove to a bar or picked it up at the store, they always got there drink on when they needed to. Grow up and quit trying to tell people how to live their lives. Everything is bad for you if you don't do it in moderation. You ever hear of gluttony? It refers to both excessive eating and drinking? I suppose next you will want to shut down all fast food restaurants? Imagine a girl curled up in a corner crying because her daddy is having a mac-attack and he has to drive 30 minutes to get it? Oh the HORROR! Next time, make sure you have all your hormones before trying to be the moral authority. There is One GOD AND YOU ARE NOT HIM!
When you are old enough to drink and understand the differences on all sides of the issue, then you can form an opinion and people may listen to you. What you are proposing is the entire reason people want this for our community. You can relax, it failed anyways, but believe you me, it will come around again and hopefully by that time, those of us who know the reasons we need it here will finally be able to make our voice heard. If you don't like alcohol, the don't buy it, and if you want to live somewhere that doesn't sell alcohol, the find another dry town to live in. Whatever problems alcohol may or may not cause will follow a person wherever they go, no matter if retail sales of alcohol is allowed or not. And with that said, the dangers increase with limited availability. Being dry does not stop the drinking, it just increases the length people must go to get it, and the risk of fatalities because of that drive. If you want to be somewhere where alcohol is not allowed, move to a third world country and become a muslim, they don't have alcohol and drinking is forbidden in their religion.
Also Nancy, a lot of people who move to Tyler did not know it was dry until they moved there. If it was that important of an issue to them then I am sure they would have checked it out first. I wish when I moved there and lived there for the 6 years I was there that I would have known that. If I had been old enough to know, care, or understand the load of crap reasons why it is a dry county, I would have never moved there. It is time for your old fogeys to stop trying to control what other people do for the sake of your own morals, well being and safety because statistics show being wet is more financially and physically safer than being dry. People move to Tyler because they like the people, and how clean Tyler is and how welcoming its atmosphere is. It isn't until they learn that it is a dry county, and how selfish people are about trying to stop people from drinking that they realize that Tyler is not a fun place to live. Don't you want people to move to your city and enjoy living there? And for Ken Good, this election and decision has nothing to do with economic downturn, wet and dry elections happen all the time throughout our state every year, and many more pass than fail, it has to do with making changes to our community, and allowing people make the decision on what they want. I live in a wet county and people drink less here than they do in Tyler because that "thrill of the chase" and wanting to get drunk more often forces people out on to dangerous highways and does not afford them the right to just get what they want close to home and take it home to drink. It is just alcohol, not something terrible like drugs.
Smith County has NOT been dry for even close to 100 years yet. It went dry in 1937 and has only been dry for 72 years. Last time I checked there was a seperation of church and state. Who cares whether what retail alcohol sales impose on your belief system, if you don't like alcohol, then don't buy it. I live in a wet county and pass by the beer isle at wal-mart all the time and it doesn't phase me if I don't have the money for it. If I buy it, I plan to take it home to drink and stay off the roads, and if someone was drunk and decided to drive to the corner store to get more beer, well there is always a risk in that but 20 to 30 miles is rediculous to get booze.
As a Christian, I believe there is one judge and I am not Him. Therefore, let people live their own lives whether you agree with them or not. I GAURANTEE most of these so called religious people who want us to vote "no", have booze in their home. Quit being hypocrits! Guns don't kill people, people do. Liquior doesn't kill people, people have to drink it. It is a personal choice. Stay out of it!
FIRST OF ALL I WANT EVERYONE INVOLVED TO KNOW THAT IM NOT BEING RUDE OR DISRESPECTFUL TO ANYONE IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION. ALL THE YARDS THAT I SEE KEEP PRECINCT 4 DRY SIGNS ARE BASICALLY OLDER PEOPLE WHO DONT DRINK AND IN MY OPINION, SHOULDNT HAVE A SAY SO IN WHAT GOES ON IF IT DONT DIRECTLY AFFECT THEM. I'VE LIVED IN WINONA FOR TEN YEARS AND MY PARENTS MADE THIS THERE HOME ALMOST THIRTY YEARS AGO. I DRINK AND BECAUSE ALCOHOL IS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY COUNTY, I GO SPEND MY MONEY IN OTHER COUNTIES. FROM WHERE I LIVE, IM A TEN MINUTE DRIVE OR LESS FROM BIG SANDY, GLADEWATER OR KILGORE. SO POINT IN THIS LETTER IS, IF YOU WANNA KEEP WATCHING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND REVENUE FROM SALES SUPPORT OTHER COUNTIES, KEEP IT DRY! DONT MATTER TO ME OR NO OTHER DRINKER, WE'LL JUST KEEP SPENDING OUR MONEY ELSE WHERE.
Vote No To Alcohol
I am thankful for the privilege to have been able to work with the “Keep Precinct 4 Dry committee” in the upcoming liquor election. There has never been such a diverse group of people in Smith County work so hard together to protect our values. We have many different religious groups working for a common cause, the defeat of all propositions to bring the sale of Alcohol to our area.
Our purpose is not to impose our values on anyone else but to vote our convictions.
Religious groups have 2 missions. Our fist mission is to worship and praise God in the manner that each of us believes to be correct and appropriate. Our second mission is to serve. This is where we are in total agreement. In service, we all deal with helping people that are hurting and grieving from all of the problems that life deals them. The great majority of these issues are connected to Alcohol and substance abuse. Issues such as killings because of drunk drivers; spousal, sexual, and child abuse; liver disease; financial; and many other issues. We help bury the dead, counsel, pray for, hug, and help financially for groceries and necessities, and anything that we can do for those that their lives have been ruined in one way or another because of alcohol.
We simply do not want to make it easier to supply alcohol to those who will use it to destroy themselves and others.
Darrell Watson











