Sound Off, East Texas: Web Churches
November 1, 2009 - 8:51pm
SOUND OFF - The World Wide Web has become the hottest place to build a church.
A growing number of congregations are creating internet offshoots.
The sites are fully interactive, with a dedicated internet pastor, live chat in an online "lobby," Bible study, one-on-one prayer through I.M. and Communion.
We wanted to know if you would ever attend an "online church." That's the question in today's Sound Off East Texas.





Some years ago I was in PA and saw something that was beyond ridiculous. One chuch was offering, "Drive through Communion". Now we see a supposed "Gathering" of believers in cyber space. The point of the coming together of christians, is so that, through communion (Being Together)the members become intimate with each other and become able to serve eath others needs. We should remember that the church was "NEVER" intended to gather in neat little rows and be served crackers and grape juice in a most sterile way. The early church met in peoples houses and ate together as they partook of communion. How foolish to imagine that the modern church meetings reflect what was intended by Christ in any way. It is thought by many that the bigger a church actually is, reflects its success. Not so, such churches (eg. Greenacres) violate the idea that small groups of believers should be scattered throughout the community to recognise and help others in need. So sad that the church in "The Bible Belt" has little in common with the church that Jesus built so long ago.
David
2 weeks agoWe are told that God, who is perfect, created this world about half a hundred centuries ago. Of course, being perfect himself the world which he created was perfect, too. But the world did not stay perfect very long. Nay, from the heights it fell, not slowly, but suddenly, into the lowest depths of degradation. How a world which God had created perfect, could in the twinkling of an eye become so vile as to be cursed by the same being who a moment before had pronounced it "good," and besides be handed the devil as fuel for eternal burnings, only credulity can explain. I am giving the story of what is called the "plan of salvation," in order to show its mythical nature. I believe that when we have reflected upon the story of man's fall and his supposed subsequent salvation by the blood of Jesus, we shall conclude that the function, or the office, which Jesus is said to perform, is as mythical as his person.
The story of Eden possesses all the marks of an allegory. Adam and Eve, and a perfect world suddenly plunged from a snowy whiteness into the blackness of hell, are the thoughts of a child who exaggerates because of an as yet undisciplined fancy. Yet, if Adam and Eve are unreal, theologically speaking, Jesus is unreal. If they are allegory and myth, so is Jesus. It is claimed that it was the fall of Adam which necessitated the death of Jesus, but if Adam's fall be a fiction, as we know it is, Jesus' death as an atonement must also be a fiction.
In the fall of Adam, we are told, humanity itself fell. Could anything be more fanciful than that? And what was Adam's sin? He coveted knowledge. He wished to improve his mind. He experimented with forbidden things. He dared to take the initiative. And for that imaginary crime, even the generations not yet born are to be forever blighted. Even the animals, the flowers and vegetables were cursed for it. Can you conceive of anything more mythical than that? one of the English divines of the age of Calvin declared that original sin, -- Adam's sin imputed to us, -- was so awful, that "if a man had never been born he would yet have been damned for it." It is from this mythical sin that a mythical Savior saves us. And how does he do it? In a very mythical way, as we shall see.
When the world fell, it fell into the devil's hands. To redeem a part of it, at least, the deity concludes to give up his only son for a ransom. This is interesting. God is represented as being greatly offended, because the world which he had created perfect was all in a heap before him. To placate himself he sacrificed his son -- not himself.
But, as intimated above, he does not intend to restore the whole world to its pristine purity, but only a part of it. This is alarming. He creates the whole world perfect, but now he is satisfied to have only a portion of it redeemed from the devil. If he can save at all, pray, why not save all? This is not an irrelevant question when it is remembered that the whole world was created perfect in the first place.
The refusal of the deity to save all of his world from the devil would lead one to believe that even when God created the world perfect he did not mean to keep all of it to himself, but meant that some of it, the greater part of it, as some theologians contend, should go to the devil! Surely this is nothing but myth. Let us hope for the sake of our ideals that all this is no more than the childish prattle of primitive man.
But let us return to the story of the fall of man; God decides to save a part of his ruined perfect world by the sacrifice of his son. The latter is supposed to have said to his father: "Punish me, kill me, accept my blood, and let it pay for the sins of man." He thus interceded for the elect, and the deity was mollified. As Jesus is also God, it follows that one God tried to pacify another, which is. pure myth. Some theologians have another theory -- there is room here for many theories. According to these, God gave up his son as a ransom, not to himself, but to the devil, who now claimed the world as his own. I heard a distinguished minister explain this in the following manner: A poor man whose house is mortgaged hears that some philanthropist has redeemed the property by paying off the mortgage. The soul of man was by the fall of Adam mortgaged to the devil. God has raised the mortgage by abandoning his son to be killed to satisfy the devil who held the mortgage. The debt which we owed ha been paid by Jesus. By this arrangement the devil loses his legal right to our souls and we are saved. All we need to do is to believe in this story and we'll be sure to go to heaven. And to think that intelligent Americans not only accept all this as inspired, but denounce the man who venture to intimate modestly that it might be a myth as a blasphemer! "O, judgment!" cries Shakespeare, "thou hast fled to brutish beasts, and men have lost their reason."
The morality which the Christian church teaches is of as mythical a nature as the story of the fall, and the blood- atonement. It is not natural morality, but something quite unintelligible and fictitious. For instance, we are told that we cannot of our selves be righteous. We must first have the grace of God. Then we are told that we cannot have the grace of God unless he gives it to us. And he will not give it us unless we ask for it. But we cannot ask for it, unless he moves us to ask for it. And there we are. We shall be damned if we do not come to God, and we cannot come to God unless he calls us. Besides, could anything be more mythical than a righteousness which can only be imputed to us, -- any righteousness of our own being but "filthy rags?"
The Christian religion has the appearance of being one great myth, constructed out of many minor myths. It is the same with Mohammedanism, or Judaism, which latter is the mischievous parent of both the Mohammedan and the Christian faiths. It is the same with all supernatural creeds. Myth is the dominating element in them all. Compared with these Asiatic religions how glorious is science! How wholesome, helpful, and luminous, are her commandments!
If I were to command you to believe that Mount Olympus was once tenanted by blue eyed gods and their consorts, -- sipping nectar and ambrosia the live-long day, -- You will answer, "Oh, that is only mythology." If I were to tell you that you cannot be saved unless you believe that Minerva was born full-fledged from the brain of Jupiter, you will laugh at me. If I were to tell you that you must punish your innocent sons for the guilt of their brothers and sisters, you will answer that I insult your moral sense.
And yet, every Sunday, the preacher repeats the myth of Adam and Eve, and how God killed his innocent son to please himself, or to satisfy the devil, and with bated breath, and on your knees, you whisper, Amen.
How is it that when you read the literature of the Greeks, the literature of the Persians, the literature of Hindostan, or of the Mohammedan world, you discriminate between fact and fiction, between history and myth, but when it comes to the literature of the Jews, you stammer, you stutter, you bite your lips, you turn pale, and fall upon your face before it as the savage before his fetish? You would consider it unreasonable to believe that everything a Greek, or a Roman, or an Arab ever said was inspired. And yet, men have been hounded to death for not believing everything that a Jew ever said in olden times was inspired.
I do not have to use arguments, I hope, to prove to an intelligent public that an infallible book is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden, or the Star of Bethlehem. A mythical Savior, a mythical Bible, a mythical plan of salvation!
When we subject what are called religious truths to the same tests by which we determine scientific or historical truths, we discover that they are not truths at all; they are only opinions. Any statement which snaps under the strain of reason is unworthy of credence. But it is claimed that religious truth is discovered by intuition and not by investigation. The believer, it is claimed, feels in his own soul -- he has the witness of the spirit, that the Bible is infallible, and that Jesus is the Savior of man. The Christian does not have to look into the arguments for or against his religion it is said, before he makes up his mind; he knows by an inward assurance; he has proved it to his own deepermost being that Jesus is real and that he is the only Savior. But what is that but another kind of argument? The argument is quite inadequate to inspire assurance, as you will presently see, but it is an argument nevertheless. To say that we must believe and not reason is a kind of reasoning, This device
of reasoning against reasoning is resorted to by people who have been compelled by modern thought to give up, one after another, the strongholds of their position. They run under shelter of what they call faith, or the "inward witness of the spirit," or the intuitive argument, hoping thereby to escape the enemy's fire, if I may use so objectionable a phrase.
What is called faith, then, or an intuitive spiritual assurance, is a Species of reasoning; let its worth be tested honestly.
In the first place, faith or the intuitive argument would prove too much. If Jesus is real, notwithstanding that there is no reliable historical data to warrant the belief, because the believer feels in his own soul that He is real and divine, I answer that, the same mode of reasoning -- and let us not forget, it is a kind of reasoning -- would prove Mohammed a divine savior, and the wooden idol of the savage a god. The African Bushman trembles before an image, because he feels in his own soul that the thing is real. Does that make it real? The Moslem cries unto Mohammed, because he believes in his innermost heart that Mohammed is near and can hear him. He will risk his life on that assurance. To quote to him history and science to prove that Mohammed is dead and unable to save, would be of no avail, for he has the witness of the spirit in him, an intuitive assurance, that the great prophet sits on the right hand of Allah. An argument which proves too much, proves nothing.
In the second place, an intuition is not communicable. I may have an intuition that I see spirits all about me this morning. They come, they go, they nod, they brush my forehead with their wings. But do you see them, too, because I see them? There is the difference between a scientific demonstration and a purely metaphysical assumption. I could go to the blackboard and assure you, as I am myself assured, that two parallel lines running in the same direction will not and cannot meet. That is demonstration. A fever patient when in a state of delirium, and a frightened child in the dark, see things. We do not deny that they do, but their testimony does not prove that the things they see are real.
"What is this I see before me?" cries Macbeth, the murderer, and be shrieks and shakes from head to foot -- he draws his sword and rushes upon Banquo's ghost, which be sees coldly staring at him. But is that any proof that what he saw we could see also? Yes, we could, if we were in the same frenzy! And it is the revivalist's aim, by creating a general excitement, to make everybody see things. "Doctor, Doctor, help! they are coming to kill me; there they are the assassins, -- one, two, three -- oh, help," and the patient jumps out of bed to escape the banditti crowding in upon him. But is that any reason why the attending physician, his pulse normal and his brow cool should believe that the room is filling up with assassins? I observe people jump up and down, as they do in holiness meetings; I hear them say they see angels, they see Jesus, they feel his presence. But is that any evidence for you or me? An intuitive argument is not communicable, and, therefore, it is no argument at all.
Our orthodox friends are finally driven by modern thought, which is growing bolder every day, to the only refuge left for them. It is the one already mentioned. Granted that Jesus was an imaginary character, even then, as an ideal, they argue, he is an inspiration, and the most effective moral force the world has ever known. We do not care, they say, whether the story of his birth, trial, death, and resurrection is myth or actual history; such a man as Jesus may never have existed, the things he is reported as saying may have been put in his mouth by others, but what of that -- is not the picture of his character perfect? Are not the Beatitudes beautiful -- no matter who said them? To strengthen this position they call our attention to Shakespeare's creations, the majority of whom -- Hamlet, Othello, Lear, Portia, Imogen, Desdemona, are fictitious. Yet where are there grander men, or finer women? These children of Shakespeare may never have lived, but, surely, they will never die. In the same sense, Jesus may be just as ideal a character as those of Shakespeare, they say, and still be "the light of the world." A New York preacher is reported as saying that if Christianity is a lie, it is a "glorious lie."
My answer to the above is that such an argument evades instead of facing the question. It is receding from a position under cover of a rhetorical manoeuvre. It is a retreat in disguise. If Christianity is a "glorious lie," then call it such. The question under discussion is, Is Jesus Historical? To answer that it is immaterial whether or not he is historical, is to admit that there is no evidence that he is historical. To urge that, unhistorical though he be, he, is, nevertheless, the only savior of the world, is, I regret to say, not only evasive, -- not only does it beg the question, but it is also clearly dishonest. How long will the tremendous ecclesiastical machinery last, if it were candidly avowed that it is doubtful whether there ever was such a historical character as Jesus, or that in all probability he is no more real than one of Shakespeare's creations? What! all these prayers, these churches, these denominations, these sectarian wars which have shed oceans of human blood -- these unfortunate persecutions which have blackened the face of man -- the fear of hell and the devil which has blasted millions of lives -- all these for a Christ who may, after all, be only a picturer!
Neither is it true that this pictorial Jesus saved the world. He has had two thousand years to do it in, but as missionaries are still being sent out, it follows that the world is yet to be saved. The argument presented elsewhere in these pages may here be recapitulated.
There was war before Christianity; has Jesus abolished war?
There was poverty and misery in the world before Christianity; has Jesus removed these evils?
There was ignorance in the world before Christianity; has Jesus destroyed ignorance?
There were disease, crime, persecution, oppression, slavery, massacres, and bloodshed in the world before Christianity; alas, are they not still with us?
When Jesus shall succeed in pacifying his own disciples; in healing the sectarian world of its endless and bitter quarrels, then it will be time to ask what else Jesus has done for humanity.
If the world is improving at all, and we believe it is, the progress is due to the fact that man pays now more attention to this life than formerly. He is thinking less of the other world and more of this. He no longer sings with John Wesley:
The world is all a fleeting show
For man's delusion given.
Its smiles of joy, its tears of woe,
Deceitful shine, deceitful flow,
There's nothing true but heaven.
How could people with such feelings labor to improve a world they hated? How could they be in the least interested in social or political reforms when they were constantly repeating to themselves --
I'm a pilgrim, and I'm a stranger --
I can tarry, I can tarry, but a night.
That these same people should now claim not only a part of the credit for the many improvements, but all of it -- saying that but for their religion the "world would now have been a hell," [Rev. Frank Gunsaulus, of the Central Church, Chicago.] is really a little too much for even the most serene temperament.
Which of the religions has persecuted as long and as relentlessly as Christianity?
Which of the many faiths of the world has opposed Science as stubbornly and as bitterly as Christianity?
In the name of what other prophets have more people been burned at the stake than in the names of Jesus and Moses?
What other revelation has given rise to so many sects, hostile and irreconcilable, as the Christian?
Which religion has furnished as many effective texts for political oppression, polygamy, slavery, and the subjection of woman [See A New Catechism. -- M.M. Mangasarian.] as the religion of Jesus and Paul?
Is there, -- has there ever been another creed which makes salvation dependent on belief, -- thereby encouraging hypocrisy, and making honest inquiry a crime?
To send a thief to heaven from the gallows because he believes, and an honest man to hell because he doubts, is that the virtue which is going to save the world?
The claim that Jesus has saved the world is another myth.
A pictorial Christ, then, has not done anything for humanity to deserve the tremendous expenditure of time, energy, love, and devotion, which has for two thousand years taxed the resources of civilization.
The passing away of this imaginary savior will relieve the world of an unproductive investment.
We conclude: Honesty, like charity, must begin at home. Unless we can tell the truth in our churches we will never tell the truth in our shops. Unless our teachers, the ministers of God, are honest, our insurance companies and corporations will have to be watched. Permit sham in your religious life, and the disease will spread to every member of the social body. If you may keep religion in the dark, and cry "hush," "hush," when people ask that it be brought out into the light, why may not polities or business cultivate a similar partiality for darkness? If the king cries, "rebel," when a citizen asks for justice, it is because he has heard the priest cry, "infidel," when a member of his church asked for evidence. Religious hypocrisy is the mother of all hypocrisies. Cure a man of that, and the human world will recover its health.
Not so long ago, nearly everybody believed in the existence of a personal devil. People saw him, heard him, described him, danced with him, and claimed, besides, to have whipped him. Luther hurled his ink-stand at him, and American women accused as witches were put to death in the name of the devil. Yet all this "evidence" has not saved the devil from passing out of existence. What has happened to the devil will happen to the gods. Man is the only real savior. If he is not a savior, there is no other.
infinite consciousness
2 weeks agoInfinite - you are obviously a deranged person. I do hope that you come to know Jesus Christ before you come before Him.
David
2 weeks agoContrary to popular and unfounded belief, there was no single man at the genesis of Christianity but many characters rolled into one, the majority of whom were personifications of the ubiquitous solar myth, whose exploits were well known, as reflected by such popular deities as Mithra, Heracles/Hercules, Dionysus and many others throughout the Roman Empire and beyond.
The story of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels is revealed to be nearly identical in detail to that of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, who for millennia preceding Christianity held great favor with the people in much the same way as Jesus does today.
Thus, the Jesus character is not unique or original, not "divine revelation." These redeemer tales are similar not because they reflect the actual exploits of a variety of men who did and said the identical things, but because they are representations of the same extremely ancient body of knowledge that revolved around the celestial bodies and natural forces.
It is most obviously evident that Christianity and the christ fable (not to mention all religion) was conceived from the myths of ancient sun, planetary and fertility worship. Sun worship formed the basis of Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, other Roman religions and many other pagan traditions. It is the reason Sun-day is a holy day in many religions, and why major festivals are held at Spring and the Solstices. The real meaning of Christmas is sun worship; a reminder to all life on Earth that we owe everything to the Sun. Sun worship is one of the main pillars of all religion, especially older religions. Sun worshippers and nature religions, the most ancient of the religious, held major celebrations at the Winter Solstice the victory of the strength of the Sun over the forces of darkness that try to suppress it. Osiris-Dionysus represented and was represented by the sun, as was Jesus, whom the Church father Clement of Alexander calls 'The Sun of Righteousness'. When old relics and religious symbols (such as Human faces) are given a light backdrop of rays of light or a corolla it means they represent the sun. Horus of Egypt born December 25th, performed miracles called the Lamb of light, performed miracles was resurrected in three days like many other avatars; Mithras, Krishna, Tamus, Attis, Jesus the sun/son, Dionysus, king of kings, savior of the people, alpha omega crucified. The Roman religion of Mithraism, which existed for hundreds of years before Christians started celebrating Christmas, holds that the birth of Mithras was on the 25th of December. In another coincidence, the birth of Mithras was also said 'to have been witnessed by three shepherds! All had 12 disciples and the designated sacred day of worship coincidentally became either Sun/Sunday or Saturn/Saturday. Most Christmas customs are, in fact, based on old pagan festivals, the Roman Saturnalia and the Scandinavian and Teutonic Yule. Christians adopted these during the earliest period of Church history. The Church, however, has given this recognition and incorporates it into the Church year without too many misgivings. Some Christians of the first few centuries celebrated the birth of their messiah. They did not know for certain where he was born, where he died, or where he was buried. This fact is bemoaned by early Christian leaders. When they did celebrate Christmas, they generally did so in April and May. "Pope Julius I, in the fourth century commanded a committee of bishops to establish the date of the nativity of Jesus. December 25 (the day of Sol Invictus, the invincible sun) was decided upon. Not coincidentally, that is the day when the "pagan world celebrated the birth of their Sun Gods -- Egyptian Osiris, Greek Apollo and Bacchus, Chaldean Adonis, Persian Mithra -- when the Zodiacal sign of Virgo (the sun is born of a virgin) rose on the horizon. Thus the ancient festival of the Winter Solstice, the pagan festival of the birth of the Sun, came to be adopted by the Christian Church as the nativity of Jesus, and was called Christmas". The reasons that the Christians annexed the Winter Solstice, and chose to celebrate Christmas in December instead of Spring, was that influential Roman religions celebrated the birth of the sun-of-the-sun on the Winter Solstice, and the first Christian emperor, Constantine of Rome (285-337 CE) fused paganism and early Christianity, to create the Pauline Christianity that we know today. Only the more radical fundamentalist elements in some churches protest from time to time about this mixing of 'pagan' elements into the allegedly one and only true messiah religion. Scientific explanations… The Solar Messiah myth is represented with God’s sun that moves along through the 12 houses. From Pisces to Aquarius. The Apocalypse. End Times misinterpreted. 100 + million Americans believe in the monotheistic creator mythos and the end of the world. Holy Ghost, Father, Son, Satan, Trinity, sin, angels, demons, forgiveness, sacrifice, redemption, creation, immaculate conception, virgin birth, miracles, plagues, four horsemen of the apocalypse, etc.. Are all related to sun/solar deity worship. The biggest, most pernicious and oppressive lie ever perpetrated upon humankind is the god story .. Seen any amputees healed lately? All religion is a socially engineered control tactic most effectively used for many thousands of years to anesthetize, poison and control the mind, instill herd mentality and steal money from one's pocketbook. It has proven to be (all throughout recorded history) a most effective and irreversibly addictive opiate for the unsuspecting masses, which are incapable of individual, rational, discerning thought. The fact is that historically, Christianity has been the enemy of free thought and intellectualism. Most Christians are not encouraged to examine their scriptures critically but to accept what they don't understand "on faith."
Might I also recommend just a few of the following great literary works and additional internet resources for additional research, debate, condemnation and amusement?
'The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read' by Tim C. Leedom
"This is a great book that exposes religion, and in particular, Christianity for what it truly is, which is a 2000+ year old fraud that has been perpetuated by the church at all cost."
'The Dark Side of Christian History' by Helen Ellerbe
Another fascinating and revealing read. Over a period of nearly two millennia, the Christian Church has oppressed and brutalized millions of individuals. Meticulously researched and courageously written, "The Dark Side of Christian History" by Helen Ellerbe examines the Church's devastating impact upon human freedom, dignity and spirituality. Written for the lay reader, this controversial book is especially relevant today as the religious right is attempting to assert greater influence in American politics and society. "The Dark Side of Christian History presents a compelling argument that the Church's desire to control and contain spiritually motivated its persecution of heretics, its burning of libraries, the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the witch-hunts. This dark Christianity has left a legacy, a world view, which permeates every aspect of Western society. It is a legacy which fosters sexism, racism, the intolerance of difference and the desecration of the natural environment.
'The Christ Conspiracy' by Acharya S
This best-seller investigates the origins of Christianity and reveals it to be rooted in mythology. Who was Jesus Christ, and why there is no historical or archaeological record of his existence?
"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
--Pope Leo X
(As attributed by John Bale, Bishop of Ossory, in The Pageant of Popes, p. 179, 1574)
Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in the subject of Christianity is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed!
"Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it." --C. Dennis McKinsey, The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy
"There is not a conception associated with Christ that is not common to some or all of the Savior cults of antiquity." --JM Robertson, Pagan Christs
"The gospel story is an artificial, non-historical work. It has been fabricated from source materials that can be identified and traced to their incorporation into the gospels. There is not a particle of hard evidence that 'Jesus of Nazareth' ever existed. --Harold Leidner, The Fabrication of the Christ Myth
"Prayers offered up in Christian worship in the earliest days of the faith were addressed to 'Our Lord the Sun,' evidencing that 'primitive' Christians were quite in the spirit of Pagan forms and ideologies." --Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Easter: The Birthday of the Gods
"The Christian religion and Masonry have one and the same common origin: Both are derived from the worship of the Sun. The difference between their origin is, that the Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun." --Thomas Paine, Age of Reason
"The Sun has attracted the attention of mankind for adoration all over the world from the very beginning of human history. It has attained the position of pre-eminence among the deities of nature in ancient times. The prominence and glory of the solar orb, its beauty and splendour, its importance in the creation and maintenance of life, its regularity in diffusing light and enlightening the whole earth, its primal role in the cosmic evolution and consequent mystery surrounding it, had secured for the Sun a history of interest and importance equalled by none to which every age and every race has contributed its pages." V.C. Srivastava, Sun-Worship in Ancient India
'Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled' by Acharya S
Picking up where the bestselling and controversial "The Christ Conspiracy" leaves off, "Suns of God" leads the reader through an electrifying exploration of the origin and meaning of the world's religions and popular gods. Over the past several centuries, the Big Three spiritual leaders have been the Lords Christ, Krishna and Buddha, whose stories and teachings are curiously and confoundingly similar to each other. The tale of a miraculously born redeemer who overcomes heroic challenges, teaches ethics and morality, performs marvels and wonders, acquires disciples and is famed far and wide, to be persecuted, killed and reborn, is not unique but a global phenomenon recurring in a wide variety of cultures long before the Christian era.
These numerous godmen were not similar "historical" personages who "walked the earth" but anthropomorphizations of the central focus of the famous "mysteries." A major element of the cryptic, international brotherhood, these mysteries extend back thousands of years and are found worldwide, reflecting an ancient tradition steeped in awe and intrigue. The reasons for this religious development, which has inspired the creation of entire cultures, are unveiled in this in-depth analysis containing fascinating and original research based on evidence both modern and ancient, captivating information kept secret and hidden for ages.
"Suns of God" is possibly the most complete review of the history of religion from its inception ever composed in a single volume.
'Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness' by James A. Haught
'The Gods of Eden' by William Bramley
'The Biggest Secret' by David Icke
'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins
'101 Myths of the Bible: How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History' by Gary Greenburg
http://www.humanreligions.info/christmas.html
http://www.humanreligions.info/index.html
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
http://truthbeknown.com/
http://godisimaginary.com/
http://www.davidicke.com/
http://www.rense.com/
http://redicecreations.com/
Sun of god cult
2 weeks ago'Infinite Consciousness' makes many good points regarding the creation myth. Anybody who believes in the alleged jesus/messiah epic obviously has never done any credible study outside of their so-called sacred good book. There is so much blatantly overwhelming, vast encyclopedic volumes of in-depth, well-researched and documented evidence proving the biblical god creation legend to be nothing more than a plagiarized conglomeration of ancient Sumerian, Mesopotamian, Persian and Egyptian creation myths (just to name a few...) stolen from much earlier cultures from all around the world, then over many millenia, twisted, forced and pieced together to form yet another mythological religion to keep the rationally-challenged preoccupied and subservient to some alleged malevolent and superior outside force aka godman, messiah, jehovah, heavenly father, sky wizard, goddess, saviour, redeemer, etc... In virtually every culture throughout the ages, creation myths have played a vital role in providing not only explanations of the origins of societies but also specific cultural identities--serving as a "projection of an aspect of a culture's soul."
Unfortunately, here in six flags over godland, hypocrisy, bigotry, contempt, self-induced delusion, dementia, ignorance, illiteracy, hate, racism, sexism, unjustified persecution and condemnation towards any and everybody who doesn't bow down and submit to their superstitious beliefs based solely on ancient pagan myth, allegory, fallacy, blind, unwavering faith and plagiarized scripture, (oops...I mean the true, inspired word as spoken only by the great, infallible lord father who sits on high upon his heavenly throne casting down harsh judgement and eternal damnation upon any non-believers...with implied facetiousness) will always and forever reign supreme. Any civilized attempt to open one's blind eyes to the true nature of reality, consciousness, logic and reason will most likely be a futile attempt at best, met first with poorly educated argument and sarcasm, followed by harsh, uninformed judgement, opposition and unsubstantiated, philistine criticism, and in some instances finally ending with unprovoked physical harrasment and assault by those willing to defend their failed and unsuccessful, fabled belief system at all costs.
The Bible's similarities with Egyptian, Greek and Babylonian mythology are also too close to be a mere coincidence. The writers weren’t isolated from other cultures and they didn’t get their ideas by sitting on some mountaintop meditating with God; they borrowed ideas from their neighbor's creation myths. The technical term is called called syncretism.
This sample collection is intended to show that creation myths were common to the cultures that surrounded ancient Israel. This series covers the Mesopotamian area, but they were common all around the ancient world. That question of where did we come from nags us to this day. These epic stories may have satisfied the peoples of yesteryear, but now the new frontier is in rational investigation and research.
Seven Days of Creation myths
Leviathan
To show a common scholarly awareness of the Bible’s mythological legacy, I quote from Encarta encyclopedia.
Leviathan, in the Bible, one of the names of the primeval dragon subdued by Yahweh at the outset of creation: “You crushed Leviathan’s heads, gave him as food to the wild animals” (Psalm 74:14; see also Isaiah 27:1; Job 3:8; Amos 9:3). Biblical writers also refer to the dragon as Rahab (Job 9:13; Psalm 89:10) or simply as the Abyss (Habakkuk 3:10).
The biblical references to the battle between Yahweh and Leviathan reflect the Syro-Palestinian version of a myth found throughout the ancient Near East. In this myth, creation is represented as the victory of the creator-god over a monster of chaos.
The closest parallel to the biblical versions of the story appears in the Canaanite texts from Ra’s Shamrah (14th century BC), in which Baal defeats a dragonlike monster: “You will crush Leviathan the fleeing serpent; you will consume the twisting serpent, the mighty one with seven heads.” (The wording of Isaiah 27:1 draws directly on this text.)
A more ancient version of the myth occurs in the Babylonian Creation Epic, in which the storm god Marduk defeats the sea monster Tiamat and creates the earth and sky by cleaving her corpse in two. The latter motif is reflected in a few biblical passages that extol Yahweh’s military valor: “Was it not you who split Rahab in half, who pierced the dragon through?” (Isaiah 51:9; see also Job 26:12; Psalm 74:13, 89:10).
Enuma Elish
Between 1792-1750 BCE, the empire building Hammurabi made Babylon the most important city in Mesopotamia and enthroned Marduk, Babylon’s divine patron, as head of the divine assembly of gods. Somewhere around 1100 BCE, the story of creation was compiled from Sumerian and Amorite traditions to celebrate the military and political accomplishments of the city and its rulers. The clay tablets on which the Enuma Elish stories were written on were recovered in 1849.
Israel’s creation stories are not directly copy their neighbors, but they come awfully close. The first four lines of the Amorite epic, Enuma Elish, might be too similar to be a coincidence. The God, Apsu is identified with sweet water and the goddess, Tiamet, with the sea. Their son Mummu symbolizes the mist that rises from the waters.
When above the heavens were not named
Below the earth was not called by name
Apsu, the primeval, was their progenitor
Mummi-Tiamat was the bearer of all of them…
Their waters had been gathered together
Dry ground was not formed, grass was not seen,
When the gods, not one had been fashioned,
A name was not called, destinies were not fixed,
(Then) were created the gods in their midst.
Ophiuchus and Serpens
The constellation Ophiuchus in Greek means Snake Bearer. In the Babylonian view, this constellation represented the monster Tiamat, the Bitter Ocean. Tiamat personified Chaos from which all things came forth. Tiamat took Apsu, god of the Fresh Waters, as her husband.
Out of this union were born many evil deities whose main purpose was to create conflict, confusion, friction and strife. Tiamat, however, was not satisfied with her brood and decided to destroy it. In the war that ensued, Apsu was killed by his son Ea who, fearing his mother’s wrath subsequently fled to the farthest corner of Fresh Waters.
Tiamat remarried her son Kingu, by whom she also had offspring. Still, Tiamat was not satisfied with her progeny and did battle with them—during which time she was killed by her grandson, the Sun God Marduk.
Egyptian Beginnings
Before the gods came into existence, there was only a dark, watery abyss called the Nun, whose chaotic energies contained the potential forms of all living things. The spirit of the creator was present in these primeval waters. From this point, their creation myths diverge in two different directions: the cosmic egg and the primeval mound.
The cosmic egg, or the Ogdoad, personified eight elements as four male and female pairs of divinities. In one, version, Hok and Hoket represent formlessness. Kuk and Kuket are darkness. Amun and Munet are hiddenness. Nun and Nunet are the primordial waters. In another version, Nu and Nut were deities of the firmament and the rain that comes from it. Hehu and Hehut appear to personify fire. Kekui and Kekuit personify the darkness which hovered over the primeval abyss of water. Kerh and Kerhet also appear to have personified Night or Chaos.
The first act of creation began when the egg hatched the sun. It was the form of the sun in which the God, Ra, made his presence known. All other gods and goddess were forms of him. Creation was said to form according to a divine intelligence called, Maa. It proceeded according to the word of another divine intelligence, called Thoth.
The primeval mound version also starts with a dark, watery abyss called the Nun, whose chaotic energies contained the potential forms of all living things. The spirit of the creator was present in these primeval waters but had no place in which to take shape. The destructive forces of chaos took the form of the great serpent Apep
The event that marked the beginning of time was the rising of the first land out of the waters of the Nun. This primeval mound provided a place in which the first deity could come into existence. When he became conscious of being alone, he used his divine powers to create order out of chaos, gods and men in his own image, and a world for them to inhabit. The first deity is represented by the sun God, who brought the first light into the darkness of chaos.
The Egyptians believed that all the fiends of darkness, led by the serpent, Apep, attacked the Sun during the darkest hours of the night and exerted all their powers in order to prevent his rising in the sky at dawn. But Ra, aided by his magical powers, pursued his course to the place of sunrise and hurled the fiery darts of his rays into Apep and his fiends, and paralyzed them and made them impotent.
Greek Chaos
The Greeks had many creation myths; no particular one became universally accepted. This account called, Theogony, was written by the Greek poet, Hesiod in the 8th century BCE.
It starts with the simple statement, “First of all Chaos came into being.” Two children were born to this shapeless nothingness. Night was the child of Chaos, and so was Erebus, the unfathomable depth where death dwells. In the whole universe there was nothing else; all was black, empty, silent and endless.
In some mysterious way Love was born. Love created light with its companion, radiant Day. Then Earth rose up, then Heaven with its blue vault on high.
Garden of Eden Myths
The purpose of recounting these ancient myths and legends is to illustrate their similarities to the events in Eden. It is not necessary to prove that the biblical writers drew directly from any one of them; but to show that they were influenced by the cultures around them.
There is no harm in recognizing them as epic fables. But when the Church insists with a straight face that The Fall of Man is an historical truth, while all the others are pagan myths, it's crossed the moral boundary into deceit and plagiarism. The Church is most importantly concerned with saving itself.
The question of origins bothered ancients as much as it bothers moderns today. The difference is that ancients had no science and written history from which to relate to their contemporaries. So they did the next best thing. They applied their imaginations. The descriptions below give a sense of the kind of pagan beliefs from which the biblical writers drew.
Astrology
Traditional guesses place Eden in the Mesopotamia region, but where the Bible locates Eden to the east in Gen. 2:8, that suggests a constellation. The heavens always come from the east.
As we pass through the autumn equinox into winter, the constellations Virgo the celestial Virgin, Bootes the Herdsman and Draco the serpent appear across the sky. There is also the constellation of Ophiuchus nearby, as a serpent wrapped around the waste of a human figure.
The Virgin holds in her hand a branch of fruit, symbolizing Autumn, which she seems to offer to the Herdsman. When the Virgin and the Herdsman fall beneath the horizon, Perseus rises on the other side with a sword in his hand, seeming to drive them from the summer heaven.
The term, The Fall of Man occurs astrologically as the fall of the sun, when it descends past the halfway point towards its lowest point on the horizon during the winter months. The Christian theology of crucifixion draws from the same seasonal event, when astrologers described the sun as being crucified as it crosses the halfway point towards descent.
As a side note, each branch of the Christian cross symbolizes a season. The top: the shortest day of the winter solstice. The bottom: the longest day of the summer solstice. The two equal arms: the two equal days of the fall and spring equinox. This is not just another strange coincidence, by the way.
Sumerian Paradise Myth
The Sumerian Eden was located in Dilmun, modern day Bahrain. Eden contained the Tigris and Euphrates rivers associated with Sumeria. The word Eden was derived from an old Babylonian name for Mesopotamia, Gan-Eden, the garden of the Middle East. Because those great two rivers watered the rich plains between them, the word Mesopotamia means between the waters.
Enki, the Sumerian water-God and God of wisdom, impregnates Ninhursag, his half-sister. Enki desires a son, but receives a daughter. He them impregnates his daughter, who in turn gives him a daughter. Ninhursag decides to put an end to this immoral procession by sowing eight poisonous plants in the garden. Enki eats of all eight plants and becomes deathly ill. On of Enki's sick organs is the rib. Nin-ti is created to heal Enki. Nin-ti means "she who makes live." It is approximately what Eve means. Nin-ti can also be translated as "the lady of the rib." "Ti" means rib and "to make live."
The Legend of Adapa
From the Babylonians comes the legend of Adapa. It carries the theme of the serpent's warning to Eve, that God had deceived her about the forbidden fruit.
Adapa, son the god of Wisdom, Ea, broke the wing of the Storm bird who attacked him in the Persian Gulf. Ea summoned Adapa to question his violence and warned him that, having displeased Anu, King of Heaven, the gods would offer him the food and drink of death, which he must refuse. Anu, however, learning of this indiscreet disclosure, tried to foil Ea by offering Adapa the bread of life and the water of life instead. When Adapa refused, Anu sent him back to earth as a mortal.
Gilgamesh and the Serpent
The Babylonians had a popular epic hero called Gilgamesh. In one story, Gilgamesh heard about a plant that held the secret to immortality. By much effort, he pulled it up from the bottom of the sea. On the way to taking it back to his people, he set the plant aside at a spring where he stopped to take a bath. Suddenly a serpent came up from the water and snatched the plant. As it returned to the water, it shed its skin.
Thus the serpent robbed humans of the potential for rejuvenation and acquired an ability to renew itself by shedding its skin.
Puns
The word "Adam," as the proper name for the first man can be misleading. It comes from ha-adam in Hebrew, which translates to "the man"—Hebrew has no capital letters. The word adam is extracted from adamah, meaning country, earth, ground, husband, earth, or land. This suggests the context in Genesis 3:19, when God says "you are dust, and to dust you shall return." The name represents the material from which he was made. He wasn't an actual person.
Likewise, "Eve" is translated from the Hebrew chavvaòh, for lifegiver, as in "the mother of all living." Its root, Chaya, means "serpent" in Aramaic. Eve and serpent are taken to be synonymous.
The word, Eden, has been traced to the Sumerian language, meaning fertile land. To the Hebrews who later settled in the region, the word eden came to mean "delight" or "enjoyment." In a sense, it is a garden of delight.
In sum, the words Adam and Eve describe nobody in particular, and Eden describes no place in particular. It belongs with all the pagan mythologies of its type.
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http://www.usbible.com/Astrology/bible_astrology.htm
Garden Tour See the Garden of Eden in the Stars
http://www.usbible.com/Astrology/garden_tour.htm
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Further Reading
A Dictionary of Creation Myths by David & Margaret Leeming
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195102754/qid=1124392642/...
Myths From Mesopotomia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others by Stephanie Dalley
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0192835890/qid=1134329424/sr=8-1/ref=pd...
Stories From Ancient Canaan by Michael David Coogan
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0664241840/qid=1134329645/sr=1-1/ref=sr...
Metamorphoses by Ovid, translated by A. D. Melville
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019283472X/qid=1134329783/sr=2-1/ref=pd...
The Library of Greek Mythology by Apollodorus, translated by Robin Hard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0192839241/qid=1134330004/sr=2-1/ref=pd...
Theogony, Works and Days by Hesiod, translated by M. L. West
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0192839411/qid=1134331291/sr=1-1/ref=sr...
Sumerian Mythology by Samuel Noah Kramer
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812210476/qid=1134332056/sr=8-1/ref=pd...
Conceptions of God in Ancient Egypt by Erik Hornung
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801483840/ref=sib_rdr_dp?%5Fencoding=U...
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